1)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah queries Resh Lakish from a Mishnah in Keilim, which requires a Tamei oven to be broken into three parts, in order to become Tahor. Why not two?

(b)What second requirement is needed?

(c)Rebbi Meir does not need the last two requirements. What does he need?

(d)What is now the Kashya on Resh Lakish?

1)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah queries Resh Lakish from a Mishnah in Keilim, which requires a Tamei oven to be broken into three parts, in order to become Tahor. Three and not two - to avoid having one piece which is a majority.

(b)The second requirement that is needed is - to scrape off all the cement (right down to the ground, which may also refer to the division into three [see Tiferes Yisrael]. See also Rashash DH 'Hasam de'Talkeih Metzalek').

(c)Rebbi Meir does not need the last two requirements - only that the oven should be less than four Tefachim tall (which is the initial Shi'ur of an oven).

(d)The Kashya on Resh Lakish is - from Rebbi Meir, since a cemented oven stands firmly, in which case, according to him, it ought to remain Tamei.

2)

(a)How does Rava counter Rebbi Yirmiyah's Kashya?

(b)How does he therefore amend the Mishnah? How does he explain the basis of Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Rabbanan?

(c)What will they both then hold in the original case?

2)

(a)Rava counters Rebbi Yirmiyah's Kashya - like he did Rav Yosef's, that rather than ask on Resh Lakish from Rebbi Meir, he ought to support him from the Rabbanan (who require the cement to be removed).

(b)Rava therefore amends the Machlokes - to how to build an oven Lechatchilah in a way that it is not subject to Tum'ah.

(c)They both agree however, that Bedieved, once it does become Tamei - it must be divided into three and the cement removed, right down to the ground.

3)

(a)We query Rava's interpretation from another Mishnah in Keilim, there the Rabbanan agree with Rebbi Meir, who gives the minimum size of a large oven (as regards Tum'ah), and the remains of a larger one as four Tefachim. They argue with him however, with regard to a small one. What is a small oven used for?

(b)They give the minimum size of a small oven as a Kol-Sh'hu (once it has been used). How does Rebbi Yanai define a Kol-Sh'hu?

(c)What Shi'ur do the Rabbanan ascribe to the remains of a small oven?

(d)In which point do the Rabbanan in this Mishnah, who require the remains of four Tefachim, appear to contradict what they said in the previous one?

3)

(a)We query Rava's interpretation from another Mishnah in Keilim. The Rabbanan agree with Rebbi Meir, who gives the minimum size of a large oven (as regards Tum'ah), and the remains of a larger one, as four Tefachim. But they argue with him with regard to a small one - which little girls use for baking.

(b)They give the minimum size of a small oven as a Kol-Sh'hu (once it has been used ['mi'she'Tigamer Melachto']), which Rebbi Yanai defines as - a Tefach.

(c)The Shi'ur the Rabbanan ascribe to the remains of a small oven - is Rubo.

(d)The Rabbanan in this Mishnah, who require the remains of four Tefachim, appear to contradict what they said in the previous one - where they disagreed with Rebbi Meir, requiring an oven to be broken into three, implying that if it is divided into two, the larger section remains Tamei, even if it is less than four Tefachim.

4)

(a)How do we reconcile the two Mishnahs, based on the way the oven is broken?

(b)Regarding the Din of a small oven Sheyarav be'Rubo, we ask what one can do with the remains of an oven that is less than a Tefach. How does Abaye therefore interpret Sheyarav be'Rubo?

(c)How do we reconcile this with what we just said that the Rabbanan too, give the Shi'ur of the remains of a large oven as four Tefachim?

(d)Why are the Rabbanan forced to say that the remains of an oven of seven Tefachim is four Tefachim, and not three and a half plus?

4)

(a)We reconcile the two Mishnahs - by ascribing the Shi'ur of four Tefachim (but not less) to one that is spliced horizontally (since it is unsteady); and that of Rov, even it is less than four Tefachim, to where it is spliced vertically (where it stands firmly)

(b)Regarding the Din of a small oven Sheyarav be'Rubo, we ask what one can do with the remains of an oven that is less than a Tefach. Abaye therefore interprets Sheyarav be'Rubo - with regard to a large oven.

(c)We reconcile this with what we just said, that the Rabbanan too, give the Shi'ur of the remains of a large oven as four Tefachim - by establishing that by an oven of seven Tefachim, whereas the current statement pertains to an oven that is nine.

(d)The Rabbanan are forced to say that the remains of an oven of seven Tefachim is four Tefachim, and not three and a half plus - so that the Din of Shiyur (remains) should not be more stringent than an oven Lechatchilah, whose minimum Shi'ur is four Tefachim.

5)

(a)In the second Lashon, what does Rav Huna citing Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi say in a case where the minority of the Tamei garment which the owner tore is the size of a Ma'afores?

(b)In this Lashon too, Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish argue over the Din of a Tamei leather Beged that the owner tore. What is now the basis of their Machlokes?

(c)What does Rebbi Yochanan ask Resh Lakish from the Mishnah in Keilim, where the Chachamim concede to Rebbi Yehudah that if the piece of Tamei leather is less than five Tefachim, it is Tahor?

(d)What does Resh Lakish answer? What does the owner intend to do with the piece of leather?

5)

(a)In the second Lashon, Rav Huna citing Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi rules that even if the minority of the Tamei garment which the owner tore is the size of a Ma'afores - it is Tahor.

(b)In this Lashon too, Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish argue over the same garment if it is made of leather. But this time, Resh Lakish's reason for saying that it is still Tamei is - because leather is more valuable than material, whereas Rebbi Yochanan maintains that there is no difference.

(c)Rebbi Yochanan queries Resh Lakish from the Mishnah in Keilim, where the Chachamim concede to Rebbi Yehudah that if the piece of Tamei leather is less than five Tefachim, it is Tahor. According to Resh Lakish, he asks - it should be Tamei (even though a material garment under similar circumstances would not), due to its value.

(d)Resh Lakish answers that - the Mishnah is speaking in a case where the owner intends to use the piece of leather for the folding chair of a Zav, whose minimum size Tum'ah is five Tefachim by five Tefachim.

6)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that if a k'Zayis of Basar is attached to a piece of skin, and someone touches a strip of flesh or a hair that protrudes from the skin, he becomes Tamei. Why is he rendered Tamei by ...

1. ... the strip of flesh?

2. ... the hair?

(b)On what condition does the latter render him Tamei?

(c)If the piece of skin contains two half k'Zeisim of Basar, then, according to Rebbi Yishmael, he becomes Tamei Masa (if he carries it) but not Tamei Maga (if he touches it). Why is that?

(d)What does Rebbi Akiva say?

(e)In which case will Rebbi Akiva concede that the two half-k'Zeisim render a person Tamei?

6)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that if a k'Zayis of Basar is attached to a piece of skin, and someone touches a strip of flesh or a hair that protrudes from the skin, he becomes Tamei. He is rendered Tabmei by ...

1. ... the strip of flesh - because he touched a k'Zayis of Tum'ah.

2. ... the hair - because the hair is a Shomer.

(b)The latter renders him Tamei - only if it is protruding from a point in the skin which has the Basar at the back (as we already learned).

(c)If the piece of skin contains two half k'Zeisim of Basar, then, according to Rebbi Yishmael, he becomes Tamei Masa (if he carries it) but not Tamei Maga (if he touches it) - because it is not possible to touch both pieces of Basar simultaneously (with the same finger) and there is no Din of Tum'ah through touching twice.

(d)According to Rebbi Akiva - he is not Tamei either way, because the skin is Mevatel the Basar (as we already learned).

(e)Rebbi Akiva will concede however, that the two half-k'Zesim render a person Tamei - if he impales them on a splinter of wood and then carries it.

7)

(a)Ula Amar Rebbi Yochanan qualifies the first ruling in our Mishnah. In which case will the Tana agree that the k'Zayis Basar that is attached to the skin is not Metamei?

(b)Rav Nachman asked Ula incredulously whether Rebbi Yochanan even said this with regard to a ke'Tarta or even of a ke'Nafya. What is ...

1. ... a ke'Tarta?

2. ... a ke'Nafya?

(c)What was Rav Nachman's response to that?

(d)What did Rebbi Ami comment, when Rav Oshaya repeated the above dialogue between Ula and Rav Nachman to him?

7)

(a)Qualifying the first ruling in our Mishnah, Ula Amar Rebbi Yochanan explains that the Tana will agree that the k'Zayis Basar that is attached to the skin is not Metamei - if the Basar was torn off by a person with a knife (as we learned earlier).

(b)Rav Nachman asked Ula incredulously whether Rebbi Yochanan even said this with regard to ...

1. ... a ke'Tarta - a quarter of a Kav (or enough to fill the bowl of scales).

2. ... a ke'Nafya - enough to fill a winnow or a sieve.

(c)To which Rav Nachman responded that - if Rebbi Yochanan were to tell him that personally, he would not accept it.

(d)When Rav Oshaya repeated the above dialogue between Ula and Rav Nachman to Rebbi Ami, the latter (who misunderstood Ula's statement, as we shall see), commented that - just because Rav Nachman was the son-in-law of the Resh Galusa, that does not entitle him to speak so disrespectfully about Rebbi Yochanan's rulings.

8)

(a)On another occasion, Rav Oshaya heard Rebbi Ami citing Rebbi Yochanan on the Seifa. What did he then say?

(b)What did Rebbi Ami ask Rav Oshaya, after the latter expressed surprise that he cited Rebbi Yochanan on the Seifa?

(c)And what did he comment when Rav Oshaya answered in the affirmative?

(d)Yet when Ravin arrived from Eretz Yisrael, as well as all the Nechusei Yama (the Talmidei-Chachamim who accompanied him), he supported Ula's version. To answer Rav Nachman and Rav Oshaya's blatant Kashya, we cite a statement of Rav Papa (on a different Sugya). What did Rav Papa say? How does that resolve the problem?

8)

(a)On another occasion, Rav Oshaya heard Rebbi Ami citing Rebbi Yochanan on the Seifa - that Rebbi Yishmael does not consider two half-K'eisim Bateil by Paltaso Chayah, but by Paltaso Sakin, even he will agree that it is Bateil.

(b)After Rav Oshaya expressed surprise that Rebbi Ami cited Rebbi Yochanan on the Seifa (because then Rav Nachman would never have spoken the way he did [even if he had disagrees with it]), Rebbi Ami (who had initially thought that that was how Rav Ashaya had cited him) - asked him whether he had really cited Rebbi Yochanan on the Reisha.

(c)When Rav Oshaya answered in the affirmative, he commented that - if Yehoshua bin Nun had told him that, he would not have accepted it (thereby vindicating Rav Nachman).

(d)Yet when Ravin arrived from Eretz Yisrael, as well as all the Nechusei Yama (the Talmidei-Chachamim who accompanied him), he supported Ula's version. And to answer Rav Nachman and Rav Oshaya's blatant Kashya, we cite a statement of Rabv Papa (on a different Sugya) - who established a k'Zayis Basar as Merudad which means that the k'Zayis is flat-shaped, and therefore long and wide, and people would not take the trouble to cut it off the skin.

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9)

(a)How does bar Pada qualify Rebbi Yishmael's ruling ... ve'Ein Metamei be'Maga? In which case will the latter hold that it is Metamei be'Maga as well as be'Masa?

(b)What does Rebbi Yochanan say?

(c)We base Rebbi Yochanan's opinion on another statement that he made, equating the opinion of Rebbi Yishmael with Rebbi Dosa ben Horkinas in a Mishnah in Ohalos. What does the latter say about two half-k'Zeisim of a Meis that are placed in a room?

9)

(a)bar Pada qualifies Rebbi Yishmael's ruling ... ve'Ein Metamei be'Maga - confining it to where the Basar is on the other side of the skin from which the hair is protruding. But if the hair was to actually protrude from the Basar, then even Rebbi Yishmael will agree that he he is Tamei through Maga, as well as through Masa.

(b)Rebbi Yochanan maintains that - either way, he remains Tahor.

(c)We base Rebbi Yochanan's opinion on another statement that he made, equating the opinion of Rebbi Yishmael with Rebbi Dosa ben Horkinas, who said in a Mishnah in Ohalos that - if two half-k'Zeisim of a Meis are placed in a room - they are not Metamei be'Ohel, because Ein Ma'ahil ve'Chozer u'Ma'ahil.

10)

(a)What do we extrapolate from Rebbi Yochanan's statement regarding Rebbi Yishmael with regard to the opinion of Rebbi Akiva?

(b)What is the problem with that?

(c)How do we answer the Kashya, based on the reason that our Mishnah attributes to Rebbi Akiva?

(d)What will Rebbi Akiva hold with regard to Ein Noge'a ve'Chozer ve'Noge'a?

10)

(a)We extrapolate from Rebbi Yochanan's statement regarding Rebbi Yishmael that - Rebbi Akiva must hold like the Rabbanan of Rebbi Dosa.

(b)The problem with that is that - the Chachamim are Metamei (because they hold Ma'ahil ve'Chozer u'Ma'ahil), whereas Rebbi Akiva is Metaher (because he holds Ein Noge'a ve'Chozer ve'Noge'a).

(c)We answer the Kashya however, based on the Seifa of our Mishnah, which gives Rebbi Akiva's reason as - Mipnei she'ha'Or Mevatlan. Otherwise, the two-k'Zeisim would combine.

(d)Consequently - Rebbi Akiva has to hold Noge'a ve'Chozer ve'Noge'a (as we will see shortly).

11)

(a)Rav Ukva bar Chama queries bar Pada from a Beraisa. What does Rebbi Yishmael there learn from the Pasuk in Shemini ...

1. ... "be'Nivlasam"?

2. ... "ve'ha'Nosei Yitma"?

(b)And what does Rebbi Akiva learn from the Hekesh of "ve'ha'Nosei" to "ve'ha'Noge'a"?

(c)How does this pose a Kashya on bar Pada (from Rebbi Akiva's Kashya)?

(d)How does Rava therefore explain Rebbi Akiva's D'rashah (to accommodate bar Pada)?

11)

(a)Rav Ukva bar Chama queries bar Pada from a Beraisa. Rebbi Yishmael learns there from the Pasuk in Shemini ...

1. ... "be'Nivlasam" - 've'Lo be'Or she'Yesh alav Sh'nei Chatza'ei Zeisim'.

2. ... "ve'ha'Nosei Yitma" that - even though it is not Metamei be'Maga, it is Metamei be'Masa.

(b)Whereas Rebbi Akiva learns from the Hekesh of "ve'ha'Nosei" to "ve'ha'Noge'a" that- whatever is not Metamei be'Maga is not Metamei be'Masa either (see Tosfos DH 'Rebbi Akiva').

(c)This poses a Kashya on bar Pada from Rebbi Akiva - who counters Rebbi Yishmael from the Hekesh "ve'ha'Nosei" to "ve'ha'Noge'a" (as we just explained). But does the latter not agree that Maga applies to the side where the Basar is?

(d)To accommodate bar Pada, Rava therefore explains Rebbi Akiva's D'rashah to mean that - Masa only applies there where Maga applies in all circumstances (at the back as well as at the front).

12)

(a)Based on Rava's previous interpretation of Rebbi Akiva, Rav Ivya Saba asked Rabah bar Rav Huna whether Rebbi Yishmael will, or will not, concede that a thigh-bone containing marrow is not Metamei be'Masa. On what grounds might he ...

1. ... concede to Rebbi Akiva that it is not?

2. ... not concede ... ?

(b)What did Rabah bar Rav Huna mean when he replied 'Urva Parach' (the raven has flown away)?

(c)What did his son Rava mean when he reminded his father how he had only words of praise for Rav Ivya Saba from Pumbedisa? So what if he did?

(d)What did he reply?

12)

(a)Based on Rava's previous interpretation of Rebbi Akiva, Rav Ivya Saba asked Rabah bar Rav Huna whether Rebbi Yishmael will, or will not, concede that a thigh-bone containing marrow is not Metamei be'Masa (see Tosfos DH 've'Hacha'). He might ...

1. ... concede to Rebbi Akiva that it is not - since unlike the previous case, it is not subject to Maga at all, even on one side.

2. ... not concede ... - because he might disagree with Rebbi Akiva's Hekesh altogether.

(b)When Rabah bar Rav Huna replied 'Urva Parach' (the raven has flown away) - he was merely changing the subject, because he had no answer.

(c)His son Rava reminded him that he had only words of praise for Rav Ivya Saba from Pumbedisa - because he thought that he did not bother to answer him because he did not hold him in high esteem (or that the answer was so simple that he ought to have known it himself).

(d)He replied that - the reason that he pushed him off was because he was tired after a long D'rashah, and precisely because it was a good question, he did not have an answer ready for him.

13)

(a)What did Ula rule regarding someone who carries two half-k'Zeisim impaled on a long splinter of wood all day long?

(b)How did he explain it (based on the fact that the Torah writes the word "ve'ha'Nosei" without a 'Vav')?

(c)We query him however, from Rebbi Yishmael and from Rebbi Akiva (in the case where the two half-k'Zeisim are impaled on a long splinter of wood), both of whom rule in this very case that Metam'in be'Masa ... . How does Rav Papa establish the cases to accommodate Ula?

13)

(a)Ula ruled that if someone carries two half-k'Zeisim impaled on a long splinter of wood all day long - he will not become Tamei.

(b)He explained it, based on the fact that the Torah writes the word "ve'ha'Nosei" without a 'Vav' - which we Darshen as 'Nisa', meaning that they are both carried together (that if one picks up one end, the other end comes with it).

(c)We query him however, from Rebbi Yishmael and from Rebbi Akiva (in the case where the two half-k'Zeisim are impaled on a long splinter of wood), both of whom rule in this very case Metam'in be'Masa ... . So to accommodate Ula - Rav Papa establishes the cases by Merudad (as we explained earlier, though here it speaks) where the two halves are joined by a thin strip of flesh.

14)

(a)In fact, Ula's ruling is subject to a Machlokes Tana'im. What is the Tana Kama in the Beraisa referring to when he says 'Echad ha'Noge'a ve'Echad ha'Nosei'? What is he coming to teach us?

(b)What do we ask on Rebbi Eliezer, who says 'Af ha'Nosei'?

(c)How do we therefore interpret Rebbi Eliezer's ruling?

(d)Then why did he say 'Af ha'Nosei'?

14)

(a)In fact, Ula's ruling is subject to a Machlokes Tana'im. When the Tana Kama in the Beraisa says 'Echad ha'Noge'a ve'Echad ha'Meisit', he is referring to two half-k'Zeisim of B'sar ha'Meis, and he is coming to teach us that the person is Tamei even though the two half-k'Zeisim are not joined.

(b)We ask on Rebbi Eliezer, who says 'Af ha'Nosei' that - Nosei is also included in Meisit (which literally means that one moves it like pulling one end of a see-saw down, when it is on the other end).

(c)We therefore interpret Rebbi Eliezer's ruling to mean that both Nosei and Meisit are Tamei only if the two halves are joined (like Ula).

(d)And although he said 'Af ha'Nosei' - we amend it to 've'Hu de'Nisa' (which means provided it has a Shi'ur).

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