More Discussions for this daf
1. Tasa'a Gavar or Ila'a Gavar 2. Why the Chagigah is not brought on Shabbos if "Chavivin Mitzvah bi'Sha'atah" 3. Fish and Meat
4. Hanei Milei Chai, Aval Tzeli Ba'i Kelipah 5. Cold Chicken in Hot Milk 6. Hot Falling on Cold in Hilchos Shabbos
7. ריחא מילתא היא
DAF DISCUSSIONS - PESACHIM 76

Danny Louis asks:

The gemara says that we are m'chalek between a large amount of salt (not eaten because of the salt) and a lesser amount. If there is only a lesser amount, hadacha is enough. Then the gemara says "hanei mili," that chiluk is only if it's "chai," (pashtus, raw), but if it's "tzli" (pashtus, previously roasted), and then fell into even a smaller amount of salt, it needs k'lipa.

This is how Rashi seems to learn (the last line of Rashi on the page says the gemara explains that the bird is cold. L'chora, the gemara doesn't say that, unless one understands that "tzli" meaning a previously roasted piece, that is now cold.)

The Rashba in Toras Habayis learns differently. "Chai" means cold and "tzli" means hot. (Tos in Chullin 96a also comes out like Rashi, but l'chora his kashia there is based on having initially learned like the Rashba).

According to the Rashba, what is the chiddush of the gemara here? "Hanei Mili," when do we m'chalek between amounts of salt, when the meat is cold. But if it's hot, we do not. But, of course it will need k'lipa, it's hot! How would we think that any amount of salt will cause a hot piece of meat to only need hadacha!?

Thank you,

Danny

Danny Louis,

Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel

The Kollel replies:

1. The Cheshek Shlomo (written by the brother of the Mar'eh Cohen, and printed at the back of the older Gemaras immediately after the Mar'eh Cohen) writes that what is printed on the last line of Rashi in our Gemara should in fact have been printed at an earlier part of the Sugya. It belongs on the Gemara, "ha'Hu Bar Gozla," at the start of the story about the bird that fell into the milk mixture. Rashi is telling us that the bird that fell in was cold. According to this, when the Gemara later states "Hanei Milei Chai," the word "Chai" means cold. In fact, the Cheshek Shlomo writes that the source of the Rashba to say that "Tzli" means hot is from Rashi, who learns that "Chai" is cold, from which it follows that "Tzli" is hot.

2. So Rashi and the Rashba agree with each other. This is also how the Shach (Yoreh Deah 91:21) learns. He writes that according to Rashi and the Rashba, if the roasted chick is cold, Hadachah is sufficient. If it is hot, one needs Kelipah.

3. Tosfos (Chulin 96b, DH Ad) writes that the bird that fell in the "Kamcha" was cold, but since the dove had been previously roasted it absorbs easily because it is very soft and therefore requires Kelipah.

4. We can say that the Chidush of the Rashba is that even though the chick is both hot and also had previously been roasted, it still suffices only to require Kelipah.

Kol Tuv,

Dovid Bloom