TOSFOS DH Amar Rava d'Kuli Alma Lo Shmei Hakafah...
úåñôåú ã"ä àîø øáà ãë"ò ìà ùîéä ä÷ôä...
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains the question against this, and the retraction.)
àò"â ãàôùø ì÷ééí ùðéäí ëâåï ùéâìç ëì äøàù
Implied question: [It should be forbidden to cut the Pe'os first, because] it is possible to fulfill both, e.g. to shave the rest of the head [first, and the Pe'os at the end]!
àúé òùä ãåâìç åãçé ìéä
Answer: Even so, the Aseh of v'Gilach overrides [the Lav of Hakafah].
åôøéê îãøéù ì÷éù ëå' àìà ãë"ò ùîä ä÷ôä
Explanation: We ask from Reish Lakish's teaching [that when it is possible to fulfill both, an Aseh is not Docheh a Lav]... and retract to say that rather, all agree that [Hakafas Kol ha'Rosh] is considered Hakafah;
ìîàï ãîå÷é ìøàùå ìîéìó ìîéãçé ìà úòùä åòùä ãäééðå áðæéø ãëúéá áéä úòø ìà éòáåø òì øàùå å÷ãåù éäéä îùåí ãìàå âøéãà ðô÷à ìéä îâãéìéí,
The one who establishes Rosho to teach that it overrides a Lav and an Aseh, i.e. for a Nazir, about whom it says "Ta'ar Lo Ya'avor Al Rosho" and "Kadosh Yihyeh", this is because he knows that it overrides a Lav alone from Gedilim (Tzitzis, which overrides Sha'atnez);
åîàï ãîå÷é øàùå ììàå âøéãà îàé èòîà ìà ðô÷à ìéä îâãéìéí
[We ask,] the one who establishes Rosho to teach [that it overrides] a Lav alone, why doesn't he learn from Gedilim?
ãàéìå ìä÷ôú ëì äøàù ùîä ä÷ôä ìà àéöèøéê ÷øà ãñáéøà ìéä äùúà îñáøà éãòéðï ãàèå îùåí ãäåñéó ìâìç ìà éúçééá òì äôàåú
He does not need a verse to teach that Hakafas Kol ha'Rosh is considered Hakafah. Now we hold that we know this from reasoning. Because he added to shave [the rest of the head], should he not be liable for the Pe'os?!
ëé äéëé ãîàï ãîå÷é ìéä ììàå åòùä ãäééðå áðæéø àéú ìéä ãùîä ä÷ôä îñáøà
This is just like the one who establishes [Rosho to teach about] a Lav and an Aseh, i.e. for a Nazir, he knows from reasoning that [Hakafas Kol ha'Rosh] is considered Hakafah.
åìàå ëîàé ãñì÷à ãòúê îòé÷øà ãáòé ÷øà ìàùîåòéðï ãä÷ôú ëì äøàù ùîä ä÷ôä.
This is unlike the initial Havah Amina, that we need a verse to teach that Hakafas Kol ha'Rosh is considered Hakafah.
TOSFOS DH v'Hai Tana d'Mafik Lei Rosho l'Lav Greida...
úåñôåú ã"ä åäàé úðà ãîôé÷ ìéä øàùå ììàå âøéãà...
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains the basis for this question.)
äéëà ãàéðå ùåä áëì îðìéä ðô÷à ìéä îæ÷ðå ëãîôøù åäåìê
Explanation: [We ask what is this Tana's source that Aseh Docheh Lav v'Aseh] when [the Lav and Aseh] are not Shavah b'Chol? [We answer that] he learns from Zekano, like the Gemara proceeds to explain.
åàéï ìúîåä àîàé ôùéèà ìäù"ñ ããçé
Question: Why is it obvious to the Gemara that it overrides?
é"ì ãàé ñ"ã ãìà àúé òùä åãçé ì"ú åòùä áùàéðå ùåä áëì àí ëï ìîàï ãîôé÷ øàùå ììàå âøéãà åìà ãøéù âãéìéí
Answer: If you think that Aseh is not Docheh Lav v'Aseh when they are not Shavah b'Chol, if so, according to the opinion that establishes Rosho for a mere Lav, and does not expound Gedilim [to teach that Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh]...
äà ÷ééîà ìï áëì ãåëúé ãàúé òùä åãçé ì"ú âøéãà àôé' äùåä áëì îðìï
We hold everywhere that an Aseh is Docheh a mere Lav, even if [the Lav] is Shavah b'Chol. What is the source of this?
àé îä÷ôä ùëï àéðå ùåä áëì àìà åãàé ìâåôéä [ìà] àéöèøéê ãàôéìå ìàå åòùä ãçé ëùàéðå ùåä áëì ëãîôøù åàæéì áæ÷ðå
We cannot learn from Hakafah, for it is not Shavah b'Chol (women are exempt)! Rather, surely we do not need [Rosho] for the law itself [that Tiglachas Metzora overrides Hakafah], for [an Aseh] is Docheh even a Lav v'Aseh when they are not Shavah b'Chol, like the Gemara proceeds to explain regarding Zekano;
åàí ëï àééúø ìå øàùå ãä÷ôä àí àéðå òðéï ìùàéðå ùåä áëì úðéäå òðéï ìùåä áëì
If so, Rosho regarding Hakafah is superfluous. Im Eino Inyan for [a Lav] that is not Shavah b'Chol, Tenehu Inyan for [a Lav that is] Shavah b'Chol.
åîùåí äëé ôùéèà ìï å÷à áòé îðìï ããçé òùä ìà úòùä åòùä ëùàéðå ùåä áëì
Because it is obvious to us, we ask what is the source that Aseh Docheh Lav v'Aseh when they are not Shavah b'Chol.
åñåâéà ãô"÷ ãéáîåú (ãó ä.) ñ"ì ìäù"ñ ëñåâéà ãéãï ìîàé (äâäú äá"ç) ãñ"ã ã÷øà ãøàùå àúà ìàùîåòéðï äéà âåôä ãä÷ôú ëì äøàù ùîä ä÷ôä
Observation: [In] the Sugya in Yevamos (5a), the Gemara holds like our Sugya held in the Havah Amina, that Rosho comes to teach this itself, that Hakafas Kol ha'Rosh is considered Hakafah;
åìà ëîñ÷ðà áñåâéà ãéãï ãéãòéðï ìéä îñáøà ëãôøéùéú.
This is unlike the conclusion of our Sugya, that we know this from reasoning, like I explained.
TOSFOS DH Nafka Lei mi'Zekano
úåñôåú ã"ä ðô÷à ìéä îæ÷ðå
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why this is extra.)
ãëúéá áîöåøò îä áà ììîåã åäìà ëáø ðàîø åâéìç ëì ùòøå
Explanation: [We learn from Zekano] written regarding a Metzora. What does [Zekano] come to teach? [It is extra, for] it already says "v'Gilach Es Kol Se'aro"!
TOSFOS DH Nafka (part 2)
úåñôåú ã"ä ðô÷à (çì÷ á)
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains the Havah Amina that Tiglachas does not override a Kohen's Isurim.)
éëåì àó ëäï îöåøò ëï,
Citation of Gemara: Perhaps ["Lo Yegalechu"] applies even to a Kohen Metzora!
ãàéú áéä ìà úòùä ãäùçúä åòùä ã÷ãåùéí éäéå
Explanation: He has a Lav of shaving, and an Aseh "Kedoshim Yihyu."
åäà ãëúéá åâéìç ëì ùòøå
Implied question: It says "v'Gilach Es Kol Se'aro"! (If the Aseh does not override them, how do we fulfill the verse?)
ðå÷é áðîøèå ôéàåúéå.
Answer: We establish it to discuss one whose corners [of his beard] fell out.
Note: Seemingly, this was not difficult. It could discuss a Yisrael or woman! Why must we fulfill this regarding a Kohen?
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TOSFOS DH Nazir mi'Kohen Nami Lo Yalif she'Chen Lav she'Eino Shavah b'Chol Hu
úåñôåú ã"ä ðæéø îëäï ðîé ìà éìéó ùëï ìàå ùàéðå ùåä áëì äåà
(SUMMARY: Tosfos points out a question we could have asked.)
åäùúà äåä îöé ìîéôøê àîàé ìà [éìôéðï] îðæéø ìòìîà (äâäú áøëú øàù) ãàúé òùä åãçé ì"ú åòùä àôé' ùåä áëì ãðæéø ùåä áëì äåà
Observation: Now, we could have asked why we do not learn from Nazir [Metzora] to everywhere, that an Aseh overrides a Lav and an Aseh, even if they are Shavah b'Chol, for Nazir is Shavah b'Chol;
åìîñ÷ðà ðéçà ãôøëéðï áñîåê îä ìðæéø ùëï éùðå áùàìä.
According to the conclusion, this is fine, for we ask below that we cannot learn from Nazir, for it can be permitted through She'elah.
TOSFOS DH ul'Man d'Muki Rosho b'Nazir Zekano Lamah Li
úåñôåú ã"ä åìîàï ãîå÷é øàùå áðæéø æ÷ðå ìîä ìé
(SUMMARY: Tosfos points out that these words were not needed.)
ìçðí ôé' äù"ñ ëï ãàìéáéä (äâäú äøù"ù) ÷ééîà
Observation: There was no need for the Gemara to say this ("according to the opinion that establishes Rosho for a Nazir") for we are discussing his opinion!
âí ìçðí ùéðä ìùåðå ã÷àîø ìòéì ãìîàï ãîôé÷ øàùå ìòùä åì"ú
Also, there was no need to change from the expression used above "according to the one who uses Rosho for an Aseh and Lo Sa'aseh."
TOSFOS DH ul'Man (part 2)
úåñôåú ã"ä åìîàï (çì÷ á)
(SUMMARY: Tosfos discusses why we could not learn from Nazir.)
îáòéà ìéä ìëãúðéà
Citation of Gemara: He needs it like the Beraisa teaches.
ìîéìó ãúâìçú îöåøò áúòø äåà
Explanation: It teaches that Tiglachas Metzora is with a razor;
ãàéìå îøàùå ãðæéø [ìà] ðô÷à ãñáéøà ìéä (ëï ðøàä ìäâéä) ëî"ã ô' â' îéðéï (ìòéì î.) ãðæéø çééá áëì îòáéøéï åìäëé àéöèøéê æ÷ðå ãàéìå äùçúú æ÷ï àéðä àìà áúòø ëãîôøù åàæéì
We cannot learn from Rosho of Nazir, for he holds like the opinion above (40a) that a Nazir is liable for all matters that remove. Therefore, he needs Zekano to teach that shaving the beard is only with a razor, like it proceeds to explain.
åö"ò ëé ôøéê æ÷ðå ìîä ìé àîàé ìà îùðé åìéèòîéê äà ã÷é"ì (äâäú äá"ç) ãàéï òùä ãåçä ì"ú åòùä ðéìó îðæéø îöåøò ããçé
Question: When we ask why Zekano is needed, why didn't we respond "and according to you, this that we hold that an Aseh is not Docheh a Lav and an Aseh. We should learn from Nazir Metzora that it is Docheh!"
àìà îàé àéú ìê ìîéîø îä ìðæéø ùëï éùðå áùàìä.
Rather, you must say that we cannot learn from Nazir, for it can be permitted through She'elah. (This answers why we cannot learn from Nazir that an Aseh overrides a Lav and an Aseh!)
TOSFOS DH ul'Man d'Mafik Rosho l'Lav Greida Lamah Li
úåñôåú ã"ä åìîàï ãîôé÷ øàùå ììàå âøéãà ìîä ìé
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains when we say that the Torah discusses every case.)
ìëúåá æ÷ðå ìáã ãîùîò áéï æ÷ðå ãëäï áéï æ÷ðå ãéùøàì
Explanation: It should write Zekano alone. This connotes both the beard of a Kohen, and of a Yisrael;
åîéðä ùîòé' (áéï) ì"ú âøéãà áéùøàì åîéðä ùîòé' ì"ú åòùä áëäðéí (äâäú áøëú øàù) ãî÷øà îìà ãéáø äëúåá
We learn from this a mere Lav for a Yisrael, and we learn from it a Lav and an Aseh for Kohanim, for the Torah discusses every case.
åàò"â ãøàùå ðîé î÷øà îìà äåà åìà áòé ìàå÷åîé àìà áøàùå âøéãà åìà áøàùå ãðæéø
Implied question: Also Rosho discusses every case. We should not establish it to discuss only a regular head, and not a Nazir's head!
ùàðé äúí ãùðé ìàåéï äï ìàå ãä÷ôä åìàå ãðæéø úòø ìà éòáåø äéìëê ìà îñúáøà ìéä ìîéîø ëåìé äàé î÷øà îìà ìàå÷åîé àôéìå áøàùå ãðæéø
Answer: There is different, for they are two Lavim - the Lav of Hakafah, and the Lav of "Ta'ar Lo Ya'avor Al Rosho." Therefore, it is unreasonable to say to such an extent "the Torah discusses every case", to establish it even for a Nazir's head;
àáì äùçúú äæ÷ï äëì ìàå àçã äåà áéï ãéùøàì ìà úùçéú ôàú æ÷ðê áéï ãëäðéí åôàú æ÷ðí ìà éâìçå
However, shaving the beard is all one Lav, both regarding Yisrael "Lo Sashchis Pe'as Zekanecha", and regarding Kohanim "u'Fe'as Zekanam Lo Yegalechu";
äéìëê ðøàä ìåîø ãî÷øà îìà ãéáø äëúåá ãòùä ãîöåøò ãæ÷ðå éãçä áéï ìàå ãéùøàì áéï ìàå ãëäðéí ëéåï ãàæäøä àçú äéà.
Therefore, it is proper to say "the Torah discusses every case", that the Aseh of Metzora "Zekano" overrides both the Lav of Yisrael, and the Lav of Zekanam, since they are one warning.
TOSFOS DH ha'Rav R. Peretz
úåñôåú ã"ä äø"ó
(SUMMARY: Tosfos discusses what we would have learned had the Torah not written both Rosho and Zekano.)
åäùúà îöé ìùðåéé ãàé îæ÷ðå àéëà ìîéôøê ùëï ìàå ùàéðå ùåä áëì äåà ãìéúéä áðùéí
Observation: Now we could answer that if [we tried to learn from] Zekano, we could challenge this, for [the Lav of shaving] is not Shavah b'Chol. It does not apply to women;
åàéöèøéê øàùå ãàí àéðå òðéï ììàå ùàéðå ùåä áëì úðéäå òðéï ìùåä áëì
We need Rosho. Im Eino Inyan for a Lav that is not Shavah b'Chol, Tenehu Inyan for a Lav ha'Shavah b'Chol.
åðøàä ãñì÷à ãòúéä ãù÷åìéí äï åìëê çîåøä ìå ì"ú (äâäú áøëú øàù) âøéãà äùåä áëì ëîå ì"ú åòùä ùàéðå ùåä áëì
It seems that we are thinking that these are equal (equally reasonable to learn). Therefore, he holds that a mere Lav that is Shavah b'Chol is as stringent as a Lav and an Aseh that is not Shavah b'Chol.
àìà äàøéê éåúø ãàééãé ãáòé ìàñå÷é äê ôéøëà îñé÷ åàæéì ìëåìé öããé ãôéøëåú
However, he elaborated more, for since he wanted to ask this question, he went and asked all possible questions.
åîùðé ëäï îðæéø ìà éìéó ùëï éùðå áùàìä åðæéø îëäï ìà éìéó ùëï ìàå ùàéðå ùåä áëì
Explanation: He answered that we cannot learn Kohen from Nazir, because [Nazir] can be permitted through She'elah. We cannot learn Nazir from Kohen, because [Isurei Kehunah] are not Shavah b'Chol.
åáòìîà ìà éìôéðï îéðééäå îùåí ãàéëà ìîéôøê ëãàîøï
We do not learn from them to elsewhere, because we can challenge like we said.
å÷ùä ìäø"í ãîàé ÷àîø ëäï îðæéø ìà éìéó ëå' ìéîà ãëäï àéöèøéê îùåí úòø ãáòéðï úòø áîöåøò ëã÷à àîøéðï
Question #1 (Maharam): Why did we say "we cannot learn Kohen from Nazir [because there is She'elah]"? We should say that we need Kohen due to Ta'ar, [to teach] that a Metzora must shave with a razor, like we said!
åò"÷ ìå ã÷à ôøéê ìî"ã øàùå ììàå âøéãà å÷îäãø ìéä ìî"ã øàùå ìðæéø àúà îã÷àîø ëäï îðæéø ìà éìéó ëå'
Question #2 (Maharam): We ask according to the opinion that Rosho teaches a mere Lav, and answer him according to the opinion that Rosho comes to teach about a Nazir, for he said "we cannot learn Kohen from Nazir"!
ìëê ðøàä ìäø"í ìôøù ãîùîò ìéä äùúà ëéåï ãîñ÷éðï ãæ÷ðå àúà ìàùîåòé' úòø
Answer (Maharam): Now he understands like we conclude, that Zekano comes to teach a razor;
îòúä ìîàï ãàéú ìéä ãøàùå àúà ììàå âøéãà îðìï ãðæéø îöåøò åëäï îöåøò îâìç (äâäú äá"ç)
Now, according to the opinion that Rosho teaches a mere Lav, what is the source that a Nazir Metzora and a Kohen Metzora shave?
àìà òì ëøçéê öøéê ìåîø ãî÷øà îìà ãáø äëúåá ãëéåï ã÷øà ñúîà ëúéá îééøé áëì òðéï áéï ùäåà ëäï áéï ùäåà ðæéø åìîä ìé ìîéëúá æ÷ðå
Rather, you are forced to say that the verse applies in every case. Since the verse is written Stam, it applies in every case, even if he is a regular Kohen or a Nazir. Why do we need Zekano?
åàí úàîø åäà ùôéø àéöèøéê ìàùîåòéðï ãúâìçú îöåøò áúòø
Question: We properly need Zekano to teach that Tiglachas Metzora is with a razor!
åé"ì ãäëé ôøéê ìîä ìéä ìúðà ãìòéì ìàéúåéé æ÷ðå ìîéìó ãëäï îöåøò îåúø áúâìçú ã÷úðé æ÷ðå îä ú"ì ëå'
Answer: We ask why the Tana above brought Zekano to teach that a Kohen Metzora may shave, since it says Zekano. What does this teach...?
îøàùå ùîòéðï ùàôéìå ðæéø îöåøò îâìç øàùå àò"â ãàéëà ìàå åòùä ã÷øà ñúîà ëúéá åîéðéä (äâäú áøëú øàù) îùîò ùâí ëäï îâìç æ÷ðå
We learn from Rosho that even a Nazir Metzora shaves his head, even though there is a Lav and an Aseh, for the Torah wrote Stam, and this implies that also a Kohen [Metzora] shaves his beard;
ãäùúà ñáéøà ìéä ãìäàé úðà äí ù÷åìéï
Now he holds that according to this Tana, they are equal.
åîùðé àéï äëé ðîé ãåãàé ñáéøà ìéä ãî÷øà îìà ãáø äëúåá åîøàùå âøéãà ùîòéðï ùâí ðæéø îöåøò îâìç øàùå
Answer (cont.): He answers that indeed, surely he holds that the Torah teaches about every case. We learn from Rosho alone that also a Nazir Metzora shaves his head;
åàôé' äëé àé ìàå ãëúá øçîðà æ÷ðå ìà äåä ùîòéðï ëäï ëãîôøù (äâäú úôàøú öéåï) ùëï éùðå áùàìä
Even so, had the Torah not written Zekano, we would not know a Kohen like it explains, because She'elah applies [to Nazir];
åàé ëúá æ÷ðå ìà äåä ùîòéðï ðæéø ùëï ìàå ùàéðå ùåä áëì
Had the Torah written [only] Zekano, we would not know Nazir, because [a Kohen's] Lav is not Shavah b'Chol.
åìôé îñ÷ðà æå úðà ãîå÷é øàùå ììàå âøéãà ä"ä ãùîòéðï îéðéä ìàå åòùä
Answer (cont.): According to this conclusion, the Tana who establishes Rosho for a mere Lav, we learn from it also a Lav and an Aseh.
åîä ùäæëéø ìàå ãä÷ôä âøéãà
Implied question: Why did it mention only the Lav of Hakafah?
ìâìåú ìðå ãòúå ãñáø ãàé ìàå äðé ÷øàé ãøàùå åæ÷ðå àôéìå ìàå âøéãà ìà äåä éãòéðï ùéäà òùä ãåçä àåúå ã÷øà ãâãéìéí äåä îå÷îéðï ìéä ìëãøáà
Answer: This reveals to us his opinion, that if not for these verses of Rosho and Zekano, we would not know even a mere Lav, that an Aseh overrides it, for we would establish the verse of Gedilim like Rava.
TOSFOS DH ha'Rav R. Peretz (part 2)
úåñôåú ã"ä äø"ó (çì÷ á)
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why we cannot learn from these to elsewhere.)
åáòìîà ìà éìôéðï ëãàîøï
Citation of Gemara: We do not learn [from them] to elsewhere, like we said.
ëìåîø ãàéëà ìîéôøê îä ìëäï ùëï ìàå ùàéðå ùåä áëì åîä ìðæéø ùëï éùðå áùàìä
Explanation: I.e. we can ask we cannot learn from Kohen, because his Lav is not Shavah b'Chol. We cannot learn from Nazir, because there is She'elah.
åàí úàîø åðéìó îúøåééäå áîä äöã
Question: We should learn from both of them, through Tzad ha'Shavah!
åàåø"é ãàéëà ìîéôøê îä ìòùä ãîöåøò ãàéëà ùìåí áéú
Answer (Ri): We can ask that the Aseh of Metzora is different, for there is Shalom Bayis. (He must shave in order to become permitted to his wife);
åáëé äàé âååðà àîøéðï áô' ùéìåç ä÷ï (çåìéï ãó ÷îà.) ãñì÷à ãòúê àîéðà òùä ãöôøé îöåøò ìéãçé ìà úòùä åòùä ãùéìåç ä÷ï îùåí ùìåí áéú.
We say like this in Chulin (141a). One might have thought that the Aseh [done with] Tziporei Metzora overrides the Lav and an Aseh of Shilu'ach ha'Kan, due to Shalom Bayis.
TOSFOS DH Amar R. Yochanan ha'Ma'avir Beis ha'Shechi...
úåñôåú ã"ä à"ø éåçðï äîòáéø áéú äùçé...
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why we challenged R. Yochanan rather than support him.)
îéúéáé äòáøú ùòø (äâäú áøëú øàù) àéðä îãáøé úåøä àìà îãáøé ñåôøéí åäåä îöé ìñéåòéä îáøééúà ãìòéì
Implied question: We challenge [R. Yochanan] from the Beraisa that says that removing hair (in these areas) is not mid'Oraisa. It is forbidden only mid'Rabanan. We could have supported him from the Beraisa above [that a man who shaves his underarms or the genital area is lashed]!
àìà ðéçà ìéä ìùðåéé îàé ìå÷ä ãøáðï ãìà ìéôìâå áøééúåú àäããé
Answer: We prefer to answer that one is lashed mid'Rabanan; the Beraisos do not argue with each other.
ø' éåçðï àó áîñôøéí àåñø åîùîò ãøáé éåçðï ôìéâ àãøá.
Assertion: R. Yochanan forbids even with a scissors. It connotes that he argues with Rav.