Question: Why don't we bring a verse from Torah, Lo Yasur Shevet me'Yehudah u'Mechokeki mi'Bein Raglav"?

Answer: That verse is a Berachah. The Gemara brought a verse that says that there are legislators in Yehudah.

Question: It should have been necessary to make another lottery in the afternoon for placing the two logs on the fire, for the single Kohen who merited Terumas ha'Deshen in the morning put them on the fire in the morning, and two Kohanim were required to place them in the afternoon!

Suggestion: He (R. Yochanan) admits that there was a lottery for placing the two logs in the afternoon. He comes to teach only that for the Avodos that resembled Avodos done in the morning, there was no lottery.

Rejection: If so, when we ask below "according to the initial Hava Amina, there were too many lotteries according to R. Yochanan", the same question applies to R. Shimon bar Yochai!

If there was a lottery in the afternoon for the two logs, there were too many lotteries!

Poor answer: The two who merited Dishun of the inner Mizbe'ach and of the Menorah, which were in the lottery of the morning Tamid but were not in the afternoon, they merited the logs in the afternoon, therefore there was no need for a lottery for logs in the afternoon.

It is difficult to concoct this on our own.

[Proper] answer: Rather, R. Yochanan holds that in the morning they also cast lots for placing the two logs of the afternoon;

Since the lottery for the morning Tamid helps also for the afternoon, it is logical that they cast lots then also for the logs of the afternoon.

Implied question: Why wasn't this mentioned in the Mishnah regarding the second lottery?

Answer: We mention only the 13 Kohanim who merited on the second lottery needs of the morning Tamid;

However, in the Hava Amina, that we have a new lottery for all afternoon Avodos, we thought that then we cast lots for it.

Why should we cast lot for it in the morning, since the morning lottery does not help for the afternoon at all?!

Also the words of the Beraisa "so we cast lots for it in the afternoon" connotes that in the afternoon we cast lots for it. If so, there are too many lotteries.

Explanation: Here we cannot answer that this refers to Ketores, since it says "Lo", which is masculine. This shows that it refers to the Tamid;

Had it referred to Ketores, it would have said "Lah", which is feminine.

The text: The text says "d'Tanan", for it is a Mishnah in Tamid (32b).

Background for question: Above in the first Perek, we asked a contradiction between the Stam Mishnah of Tamid and Yoma, and answered that the Stam Tana of Tamid is R. Shimon Ish ha'Mitzpah,

Citation (Beraisa): R. Shimon Ish ha'Mitzpah changes regarding the Tamid.

Implied question: Why couldn't we say that the Stam Tana of Yoma is R. Eliezer ben Yakov, who argues here with the Stam Mishnah of Tamid?

The Reisha [of Tamid 5:2] teaches about the fourth lottery "new and old [Kohanim], who will bring limbs up from the ramp to the Mizbe'ach", and later it says "R. Eliezer ben Yakov says, the one who brings limbs..."

Answer: This is because he argues also with the Stam Mishnah of Yoma. Also our Mishnah says "the fourth lottery - who will bring up limbs", and we established this unlike R. Eliezer ben Yakov.

Implied question: Also our Stam Mishnah (here, 26b) is like R. Eliezer ben Yakov!

It says that nine [Kohanim] offer the Tamid, and Rashi explains that this is Stam, like R. Eliezer ben Yakov.

Answer: I disagree with Rashi, for according to him, the Gemara should have asked that the Reisha is Rabanan, and the Seifa is R. Eliezer ben Yakov, and answered that indeed, this is so!

Implied question: The Reisha of the Reisha says that 13 Kohanim merited in it (the Tamid, and according to Rabanan, there are 14 including the one who brings limbs from the ramp to the Mizbe'ach;

If so, we should ask that the Reisha and Seifa are R. Eliezer ben Yakov, and the middle clause is Rabanan!

Answer: We can answer that it is even like Rabanan. We count only the 13 who merit in the second lottery. The one who brings limbs from the ramp to the Mizbe'ach is in the fourth lottery by itself.

Question: However, it is difficult that the Reisha is Rabanan and the Seifa is R. Eliezer ben Yakov, like I explained.

Answer: "The Tamid is offered with nine" is not [only] like R. Eliezer ben Yakov;

Explanation #1: Rather, because we want to say "no less and no more", we say that no one holds that it is offered with less than nine. However, [even Rabanan hold that] it is not always 10;

Sometimes, the one who brings limbs from the ramp to the Mizbe'ach is one of those who brought to the ramp [so there are only nine]. However, it is not [ever] less than nine;

During Sukos, it is never less than 10, and similarly all of these. (On 26b, we also teach that there are 11 in the afternoon, and on Shabbos...)

Suggestion: We could explain that the Mishnah counts only taking limbs to the ramp.

Rejection: It counts also the flask of water [for Nisuch ha'Mayim], spoons of Levonah and logs.

Explanation #2: However, we could say that we count only the initial bringing, of limbs, flasks and spoons. We do not count the completion of bringing limbs from the ramp to the Mizbe'ach.

Explanation #1 is better.

Assertion: It seems that even R. Eliezer ben Yakov, who holds here that it is improper [for a different Kohen to finish taking the limbs onto the Mizbe'ach], agrees in the case of Pesachim (64a);

On Erev Pesach, a Yisrael slaughtered and a Kohen received the blood and passed it to a fellow Kohen [and he] to a fellow Kohen... until the Kohen by the Mizbe'ach throws it once opposite (above) the Yesod.

The Gemara explains that this is because "b'Rav Am Hadras Melech."

There, we cannot say that it is improper, for when he gives it to his fellow, he did not go away. Rather, he returned and received [another bucket of blood] and passed it, returned and received and passed, for there were many Korbanos Pesach;

However, here, he takes it to the ramp and goes away. Surely this is improper!

Question: We should say that the Tana [can be R. Yehudah or R. Eliezer ben Yakov, and he] holds that we have another lottery in the afternoon for the afternoon Tamid, so there are five lotteries!

Answer #1: The Gemara means that if we find a Tana who holds that there are five lotteries in the morning...

Answer #2: Alternatively it means if he holds that we have another lottery for the afternoon Tamid, even though there was a lottery for the morning Tamid, if so there was another lottery also for the afternoon Ketores, and there were more than five lotteries.

Rashi's change: This is the text in all Seforim. However, Rashi changed the text to "Ela (rather), it is R. Yehudah."

The text in all Seforim is "and not like R. Yehudah." I explain the question "a Beraisa says 17", i.e. every morning there were at least 17, and we find this only if you count all the Kohanim who merit in all the lotteries;

Thirteen merit in the Tamid, one in Terumas ha'Deshen, one brings limbs from the ramp to the Mizbe'ach, and two merit the Ketores and Machtah. This is 17;

This is not like R. Eliezer ben Yakov or R. Yehudah. According to R. Eliezer ben Yakov, we lack one who brings limbs from the ramp to the Mizbe'ach. According to R. Yehudah, we lack one for the Machtah.

Question (Rashi): Why do we say that this is unlike R. Yehudah? Even though holds that there was no lottery for the Machtah, a Kohen took it. If so, there are 17!

Answer (Tosfos): It was clear to the Gemara that 17 merited through the lottery, for there were more [who engaged in the lottery, just not through a lottery], e.g. the ones who flayed, dissected, and brought wood to the Ma'arachah.

Implied question: Perhaps these are not counted because a Zar is Kosher for them [but we count everything that Kohanim must do]!

Rejection: We count Shechitah, even though a Zar is Kosher for it!

Conclusion: Rather, you must say that we count only Avodos merited through lottery, and according to R. Yehudah, there was no lottery for the Machtah at all, like I explained above.

R. Chananel's opinion: The text of Seforim is like R. Chananel explains.

Implied question: Above, we said 'if you find a Tana who holds that there were five...' This implies that the Gemara did not find such a Tana;

Our Tana, who holds that there were 17, holds that there were five lotteries!

Answer: Above, we still did not know this Beraisa.

Question: Here we do not list them in the order it walks, not in the order it is dissected, not in the order of their importance, and not in the order it is flayed! What order did the Tana pick?

Answer: He wanted to teach the head and leg first, and he taught that two Kohanim take the leg, he taught also the left leg, which two take;

He taught the rump with it, and put it first because also in the Reisha, regarding a lamb he taught the rump and left leg together;

Once he taught these, for which one Kohen is not enough [for either one], he taught the neck, which requires three.

Once he wanted to teach the neck, he taught the chest with it and put it first, just like regarding a lamb, and then taught the matters that require only one Kohen each;

He taught them in the order of the Reisha - the two forelegs and the two sides.