(b)We learn Shinuy Ba'alim from "Alav" 've'Lo al Chaveiro'. With regard to Le'akev (Bedi'eved), we cite Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua later. What does Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua learn from a similar Pasuk from "Chatas" "Chataso"?
(c)From where will we then know that Holachah she'Lo li'Shemah is also Pasul by a Chatas?
(d)What do we still not know with regard to ...
1. ... Shinuy Kodesh?
2. ... Shinuy Ba'alim?
1)
(a)We learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra ...
1. ... "Veshachat osah le'Chatas" - the prohibition of Shechting a Chatas with Shinuy Kodesh.
2. ... "Velakach ha'Kohen mi'Dam ha'Chatas" that - the same applies to Kabalah.
3. ... "Vechiper alav ha'Kohen me'Chataso" that - the prohibition extends to Zerikah as well.
(b)We learn Shinuy Ba'alim from "Alav", 've'Lo al Chaveiro'. With regard to Le'akev (Bedi'eved), we cite Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua later, who learns from a similar Pasuk from "Chatas" "Chataso" - that Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim there are Pasul even Bedi'eved (as we will see).
(c)And we know that Holachah she'Lo li'Shemah is also Pasul by a Chatas - from Kabalah (as we learned above).
(d)We still do not know ...
1. ... that any of the Avodos are Pasul Bedi'eved regard ing to Shinuy Kodesh.
2. ... anything other than Zerikah Lechatchilah with regard to Shinuy Ba'alim.
2)
(a)What does Rebbi Yonah learn from the Pasuk in Naso (in connection with a Chatas Nazir) "Ve'asah es Chataso ve'es Olaso"?
(b)How does he know that the Pasuk there is speaking Bedieved?
(c)What does Rav Huna b'Rei de'Rav Yehoshua learn from "Chatas" "Chataso"?
2)
(a)Rebbi Yonah learns from the Pasuk in Naso "Ve'asah es Chataso ve'es Olaso" that - all the Avodos of a Chatas Nazir need to be performed without Shinuy Kodesh (which renders the Korban Pasul even Bedi'eved) ...
(b)... since we already know Lechatchilah from the Pesukim that we just cited.
(c)And Rav Huna b'Rei de'Rav Yehoshua learns from "Chatas" "Chataso" that - Zerikah is Pasul even Bedi'eved with regard to Shinuy Ba'alim, and so are all the other Avodos (which, based on the Hekesh to Shelamim, are compared to Zerikah, as we explained on the previous Amud).
3)
(a)Ravina asked Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua what he will then learn from "Olah" "Olaso" (also written by Nazir). He declined to query him from "Minchas" "Minchaso" and "Nesech" "Nisko", due to a D'rashah in Pinchas (with regard to the Musaf of Succos). What do we Darshen from "Minchasam ve'Niskeihem"?
(b)How does he likewise Darshen "Minchaso" and "Nisko" here?
(c)And he also asked him how we can possibly learn a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Nazir from each other. What is the problem? Why can we not learn ...
1. ... a Chatas Cheilev from a Chatas Nazir?
2. ... a Chatas Nazir from a Chatas Cheilev?
3)
(a)Ravina asked Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua what he will then learn from "Olah" "Olaso" (also written by Nazir). He declined to query him from "Minchas" "Minchaso" and "Nesech" "Nisko", due to a D'rashah in Pinchas (with regard to the Musaf of Succos), in connection with which we Darshen from "Minchasam ve'Niskeihem" that - even though one is obligated to bring the Musaf on the specified day, it is permitted to bring the Menachos and the Nesachim that pertain to it, by night or on the following day.
(b)Likewise, he Darshens "Minchaso" and "Nisko" here - to permit bringing the Minchah and the Nesech of the Korban Nazir by night or even on the next day.
(c)And he also asked him how we can possibly learn a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Nazir from each other ...
1. ... a Chatas Cheilev from a Chatas Nazir - because it comes with other Korbanos, whereas a Chatas Cheilev does not (as we explained above).
2. ... a Chatas Nazir from a Chatas Cheilev - because it comes for a Chiyuv Kareis, whilst a Chatas Nazir does not.
4)
(a)So Rava tries to learn the P'sul of Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by Chatas Cheilev from a Chatas Metzora. What do we learn from the Pasuk in Metzora ...
1. ... "Ve'asah ha'Kohen es ha'Chatas"?
2. ... "Vechiper al ha'Mitaher"?
(b)How do we know that these Pesukim are speaking even Bedi'eved?
(c)Which two Kashyos do we ask on the Limud Chatas Cheilev and Chatas Metzora from each other?
4)
(a)So Rava tries to learn the P'sul of Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by Chatas Cheilev from a Chatas Metzora. We learn from the Pasuk ...
1. ... "Ve'asah ha'Kohen es ha'Chatas" - Shinuy Kodesh ('she'Yih'yu Kol Asiyosav le'Shem Chatas').
2. ... "Vechiper al ha'Mitaher" - Shinuy Ba'alim (al ha'Mitaher Zeh, ve'Lo al ha'Mitaher Chavero').
(b)These Pesukim must be speaking even Bedi'eved - since we already know Lechatchilah from the Pesukim that we discussed earlier.
(c)We ask - exactly the same two Kashyos on the Limud Chatas Cheilev and Chatas Metzora from each other, as we asked on the Limud of Chatas Cheilev and Chatas Nazir.
5)
(a)So we try to learn one from two with a 'Mah ha'Tzad'. Why can we not learn ...
1. ... a Chatas Cheilev from the combination of a Chatas Nazir and a Chatas Metzora?
2. ... a Chatas Nazir from the combination of a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Metzora? What leniency do they not share with the Nazir?
3. ... a Chatas Metzora from the combination of a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Metzora? What leniency do they not share with the Metzora?
(b)From where do we ultimately learn the P'sul of Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by a Chatas Cheilev, a Chatas Nazir and a Chatas Metzora?
(c)What will we then learn from the Pesukim that we just discussed?
5)
(a)So we try to learn one from two with a 'Mah ha'Tzad'. We cannot learn ...
1. ... a Chatas Cheilev from the combination of a Chatas Nazir and a Chatas Metzora - because they share the unique quality of coming together with other Korbanos.
2. ... a Chatas Nazir from the combination of a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Metzora - because one cannot have either rescinded like a Nazir can (by having his Nezirus negated).
3. ... a Chatas Metzora from the combination of a Chatas Cheilev and a Chatas Nazir because, unlike a Metzora, they do not have the option of bringing birds if they are poor.
(b)Ultimately, we learn the P'sul of Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by a Chatas Cheilev, a Chatas Nazir and a Chatas Metzora - from the Hekesh to Shelamim in Tzav.
(c)And from the Pesukim that we just discussed, we will learn that - they even render the Korban Pasul Bedi'eved (as we explained with regard to the Korban Pesach).
6)
(a)What problem do we have with a Chatas Avodas-Kochavim, as well as that of Shemi'as Kol, Shevu'as Bituy and Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav (of a Korban Oleh ve'Yored)?
(b)What do we answer? From where do we learn Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by ...
1. ... Chatas Avodas-Kochavim?
2. ... the Korban Oleh ve'Yored?
(c)Why do we need all three to learn Shevu'as Bituy? Why could we not learn it just from Chatas Cheilev and ...
1. ... Chatas Nazir?
2. ... Chatas Metzora?
6)
(a)The problem with a Chatas Avodas-Kochavim, as well as that of Shemi'as Kol, Shevu'as Bituy and Tum'as Mikdash ve'Kodashav (of Korban Oleh ve'Yored) is that - the Torah does not write "le'Chatas" (like it does by Chatas Cheilev).
(b)And we answer that we learn Shinuy Kodesh and Shinuy Ba'alim by ...
1. ... Chatas Avodas-Kochavim - from a Mah Matzinu from Chatas Cheilev, since both are Chayav Kareis.
2. ... the Korban Oleh ve'Yored - from a Mah-ha'Tzad from Chatas Cheilev (which is brought on its own) and a Chatas Nazir and Metzora (which are not Chayav Kareis).
(c)We need all three to learn Shevu'as Bituy, because had we tried to learn it just from Chatas Cheilev and ...
1. ... Chatas Nazir - we could have asked that, unlike Shevu'as Bituy, who can bring a bird (be'Dalus, or even flour, be'Dalei Dalus), they cannot.
2. ... Chatas Metzora - we could have asked that, unlike Shevu'as Bituy, they cannot be rescinded.
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7)
(a)The Beraisa reiterates the Din in our Mishnah Pesach bi'Zemano, li'Shemo Kasher; she'Lo li'Shemo, Pasul. What does the Tana go on to say about a Pesach be'Sha'ar Y'mos ha'Shanah?
(b)How does the Beraisa initially explain the Pasuk in Vayikra "ve'Im min ha'Tzon Korbano le'Zevach Shelamim la'Hashem"?
(c)Why must the Pasuk be referring to she'Lo bi'Zemano?
(d)Seeing as this is the source for Pesach be'Sha'ar Yemos ha'Shanah, she'Lo bi'Zemano Kasher, from where does Rebbi Ila Amar Rebbi Yochanan learn that if he Shechted it as an Olah or a Chatas, it is also Kasher (seeing as the Torah only mentions Shelamim)?
7)
(a)The Beraisa reiterates the Din in our Mishnah Pesach bi'Zemano, li'Shemo Kasher; she'Lo li'Shemo, Pasul. The Tana goes on to say Pesach be'Sha'ar Yemos ha'Shanah - li'Shemo Pasul, she'Lo li'Shemo Kasher'.
(b)The Beraisa initially explains the Pasuk in Vayikra "ve'Im min ha'Tzon Korbano le'Zevach Shelamim la'Hashem" to mean that - if one Shechts a Pesach (which can only come from Tzon) during the rest of the year, it becomes a Shelamim (and is Kasher).
(c)The Pasuk must be referring to she'Lo bi'Zemano - since we already learned that bi'Zemano, it is Pasul.
(d)Seeing as this is the source for Pesach be'Sha'ar Yemos ha'Shanah, she'Lo bi'Zemano Kasher, Rebbi Ila Amar Rebbi Yochanan learns that if he Shechted it as an Olah or a Chatas, it is also Kasher (despite the fact that the Torah only mentions Shelamim) - from the word "le'Zevach", which is otherwise supwefluous.
8)
(a)We just learned that a Pesach that one Shechts as an Olah or a Chatas during the year, becomes a Shelamim. How do we know that it does not become the Korban that one Shechts it as (an Olah or a Chatas)?
(b)In that case, we ask, let "Zevach" be a K'lal and Shelamim, a P'rat. What if it is?
(c)Rebbi Ya'akov from N'har Pakud points out that the second K'lal ("le'Zevach") has different implications than the first one ("la'Hashem"), and that one cannot therefore learn this as a 'K'lal u'Perat u'Kelal. What is the basic difference between the two K'lalim in this context?
8)
(a)We just learned that a Pesach that one Shechts as an Olah or a Chatas, during the year, becomes a Shelamim. We know that it does not become the Korban that one Shechts it as (an Olah or a Chatas) - because the Torah writes "le'Zevach Shelamim" (and not vice-versa), implying that whatever one Shechts it as, it becomes a Shelamim).
(b)In that case, we ask, let "Zevach" be a K'lal and Shelamim, a P'rat - precluding anything other than a Shelamim from the Halachah of she'Lo li'Shemo, Kasher.
(c)Rebbi Ya'akov from N'har Pakud points out that the second K'lal ("la'Hashem") has different implications than the first one ("le'Zevach"), and that one cannot therefore learn this as a K'lal u'Perat u'Kelal - because, whereas "Zevach" is confined to animal sacrifices, "la'Hashem" implies whatever is for Hash-m, even bird offerings and Menachos.
9)
(a)We answer by establishing the Beraisa like Tana de'bei Rebbi Yishmael. What does Tana de'bei Rebbi Yishmael say?
(b)What do we now learn from the 'K'lal u'Perat u'Kelal'?
(c)What is the Korban Kasher as?
(d)What problem do we have in learning this as a 'K'lal u'P'rat u'K'lal'. Which Korbanos would be precluded?
9)
(a)We answer by establishing the Beraisa like Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael - who Darshens a 'K'lal u'Perat u'Kelal even if the two Kelalim are different (as we learned earlier).
(b)We now learn from the 'K'lal u'Perat u'Kelal' that - if one Shechts a Pesach during the year she'Lo li'Shemo (irrespective of what one Shechts it is as), it is Kasher ...
(c)... as a Shelamim.
(d)The problem with learning this as a 'K'lal u'Perat u'Kelal' is that - we could only include Korbanos that come as a Neder or Nedavah (such as a Todah), but would preclude a Chatas or an Asham.
10)
(a)We answer that "Zevach" is not a K'lal, but a Ribuy. What makes it a 'Ribuy' rather than a 'K'lal'.
(b)So what if it is a Ribuy? What is the advantage of a Ribuy over a K'lal in this regard?
(c)If, as we just concluded, "Zevach" is a 'Ribuy', then back comes the question 'Let the Pesach become the Korban that one Shechts it as (an Olah or a Chatas)'. On what grounds do we reject Rav Avin's answer, that since a Pesach is eaten, it can only become a Korban that is eaten?
(d)How do we therefore amend Rebbi Avin's answer?
(e)How does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Avin put it? How does he categorize the type of Korban that a Pesach can become?
10)
(a)We answer that "Zevach" is not a K'lal, but a Ribuy - since it forms one phrase with "Shelamim" and is basically redundant (unlike a K'lal, which is generally an independent phrase and is not redundant [see also Tosfos DH Ela).
(b)A Ribuy as opposed to a K'lal, incorporates everything that it implies.
(c)If, as we just concluded, "Zevach" is a Ribuy, then back comes the question Let the Pesach become the Korban that one Shechts it as (an Olah or a Chatas)'. We reject Rav Avin's answer, that since a Pesach is eaten, it can only become a Korban that is eaten - on the grounds that a Chatas too, is eaten.
(d)We therefore amend Rebbi Avin's answer - to ... a Korban that is eaten by anyone (a Yisrael as well as a Kohen), whereas a Chatas can only be eaten by a Kohen.
(e)Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Avin says that - Kodshim Kalim can only become Kodshim Kalim (to preclude an Olah, a Chatas, and an Asham, which are all Kodshei Kodshim).
