BAVA KAMA 62 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Ms. Estanne Fawer to honor the Yahrzeit of her father, Rav Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Rabbi Morton Weiner) Z'L, who passed away on 18 Teves 5760. May the merit of supporting and advancing Dafyomi study -- which was so important to him -- during the weeks of his Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.

1)

(a)The Beraisa cites the Machlokes between Rebbi Yehudah and the Rabanan regarding Tamun ba'Esh, and distinguishes between where the Mazik lit the fire in his own domain and where he set fire to the Nizak's haystack directly, as we just discussed. What do the Rabanan add to the ruling in the Reisha that the Mazik need only pay for the actual haystack?

(b)How will Rava establish their ruling in the Seifa 'Aval Madlik b'Soch shel Chaveiro, Divrei ha'Kol Meshalem Mah she'be'Socho'?

1)

(a)The Beraisa cites the Machlokes Rebbi Yehudah and the Rabanan regarding Tamun ba'Esh, and distinguishes between where the Mazik lit the fire in his own domain and where he set fire to the Nizak's haystack directly, as we just discussed. After the ruling in the Reisha that the Mazik need only pay for the actual haystack, the Rabanan add that we consider the space taken up by the Kelim as if it was filled with whatever the haystack comprises.

(b)Rava will establish their ruling in the Seifa 'Aval Madlik b'Soch shel Chaveiro, Divrei ha'Kol Meshalem Mah she'be'Socho' by vessels that one normally keeps in a haystack (such as plowing implements).

2)

(a)What does Rebbi Yehudah say in a case where, after lending Shimon a location to Reuven to ...

1. ... build a haystack, he burns the haystack including Kelim that are hidden inside it?

2. ... to build a barley-stack, and he built a wheat-stack, or vice versa, he burned it?

(b)What distinction does Rava draw between a woman who damaged a golden Dinar which she was given to look after but which she was told was silver, and a woman whose carelessness resulted in the coin getting lost?

(c)How does Rav Mordechai extrapolate the latter Halachah from the previous Beraisa?

2)

(a)In a case where, after lending Shimon a location to Reuven ...

1. ... to build a haystack, he burns the haystack including Kelim that are hidden inside it Rebbi Yehudah concedes that he is Patur on the Kelim (since he accepted on himself the guarding of the hay-stack, but not of the Kelim).

2. ... to build a barley-stack, and he built a wheat-stack, or vice versa, he burned it Rebbi Yshudah obligates him to pay only for a barley-stack (in the first case because that is what he saw, and in the second, because that is what he stipulated with him).

(b)Rava rules that if a woman damaged a golden Dinar which she was given to look after but which she was told, was silver she is obligated to pay for the golden Dinar that it really was (because she had no right to damage it [irrespective of what it was made of]), whereas if she was merely careless and the coin got lost she pays for the silver Dinar that she thought it was (because that is what she undertook to guard).

(c)Rav Mordechai extrapolates the latter Halachah from the previous Beraisa where in the case where Reuven lent Shimon a location to pile up a barley-stack and he piled up a wheat-stack, he pays only for a barley-stack, because that is what he undertook to guard.

3)

(a)What was Shmuel referring to when he asked with surprise why Aba did not know what he had heard concerning the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah? Who was Aba?

(b)Shmuel supplied the required information. What did he mean when he said that according to Rebbi Yehudah ... 'Asu Takanas Nigzal b'Isho'?

(c)And what did Ravina mean when he asked whether they made Takanas Nigzal by a Masur or not?

(d)This She'eilah is confined to those who hold of 'Diyna d'Garmi' (what is 'Diyna d'Garmi')? Why would it not work according to those who don't?

3)

(a)When Shmuel asked with surprise why Aba did not know what he had heard according to Rebbi Yehudah he was referring to Rav, who could not recall what he had heard regarding Tamun ba'Esh, according to Rebbi Yehudah.

(b)Shmuel supplied the required information. When he said that according to Rebbi Yehudah ... 'Asu Takanas Nigzal b'Isho', he meant that according to Rebbi Yehudah, who obligated the Mazik to pay for Tamun, Chazal extended the Takanah that a Nigzal swears what was stolen from him and takes it from the thief, to the case of Tamun (because in both cases, we would not otherwise know how much the guilty party is obligated to pay.

(c)And when Ravina asked whether they made Takanas Nigzal by a Masur or not, he meant to ask whether they also extended it to a case a Masur (where Reuven has witnesses that Shimon connived with the authorities to confiscate his property, but the witnesses do not know how much was involved).

(d)This She'eilah is confined to those who hold of 'Diyna d'Garmi' (directly causing someone a definite loss [which will be explained in the tenth Perek]), because according to those who do not the Masur is exempt from paying altogether, and there is nothing to ask.

4)

(a)How do we initially interpret Rav Ashi's dilemma in the case where Reuven knocked Shimon's money-box out of his hand and into the river?

(b)Why did Rav Ashi not learn the ruling in this case from Rebbi Yehudah in the above Mishnah 'u'Modim Chachamim l'Rebbi Yehudah b'Madlik Es ha'Birah ... she'Kein Derech Bnei Adam Lehani'ach b'Batim'? In what way did Rav Ashi's case differ from that of the Mishnah?

(c)What is the outcome of both the She'eilah of Ravina and that of Rav Ashi?

4)

(a)In the case where Reuven knocked Shimon's money-box out of his hand and into the river we initially interpret Rav Ashi's dilemma to be exactly the same as Ravina's She'eilah with regard to a Masur (whether Takanas Nigzal applies to this case).

(b)Rav Ashi did not learn the ruling in this case from Rebbi Yehudah in the above Mishnah 'u'Modim Chachamim l'Rebbi Yehudah b'Madlik Es ha'Birah ... she'Kein Derech Bnei Adam Lehani'ach b'Batim' because he claimed that he had kept pearls in the box. Consequently, Rav Ashi's She'eilah was whether a person tends to keep pearls in a money-box or not.

(c)The outcome of both the She'eilah of Ravina and that of Rav Ashi is 'Teiku'.

5)

(a)Rav Yeimar asked Rav Ashi whether we will believe the Nizak whose house was burned down, if he claims that he had kept a silver goblet in the house, which got burned too. He replied that we believe him as long as he meets one of two conditions. Which conditions?

(b)Rav Ada Brei d'Rav Ivya asked Rav Ashi to define the difference between a Gazlan and a Chamsan (see Tosfos DH 'Mah ... '). What did Rav Ashi reply?

(c)Rav Ada Brei d'Rav Ivya responded by citing Rav Huna's ruling in a case of 'Talyuhu v'Zavin'. What does 'Talyuhu v'Zavin' mean?

(d)What did Rav Huna rule?

5)

(a)Rav Yeimar asked Rav Ashi whether we will believe the Nizak whose house was burned down, if he claims that he had kept a silver goblet in the house, which got burned too. He replied that we believe him as long as he meets one of two conditions either that we assess him as a wealthy man who is likely to have owned such a goblet, or that he is an honest sort of person to whom people would entrust a silver goblet.

(b)Rav Ada Brei d'Rav Ivya asked Rav Ashi to define the difference between a Gazlan and a Chamsan (see Tosfos DH 'Mah ... '). He replied that a Gazlan does not pay money for the object that he stole, whereas a Chamsan does.

(c)Rav Huna issues a ruling in a case of 'Talyuhu v'Zavin' (where Reuven forces Shimon to sell him a field by hanging him up until he agrees to sell it).

(d)Rav Huna ruled 'Taluhu v'Zavin Zevineih Zevina' (that the sale is valid).

6)

(a)What is now the problem with Rav Ashi's definition of a Chamsan?

(b)How did Rav Ashi resolve it?

6)

(a)The problem with Rav Ashi's definition of a Chamsan is why he refers to a person who pays money with the derogatory title of Chamsan, when, according to Rav Huna, what he has done (may be unrefined, but it) is perfectly legal.

(b)Rav Ashi resolved the problem by drawing a distinction between where Shimon subsequently agrees to sell ('Talyahu v'Zavin') and where he does not (Chamsan).

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7)

(a)What does our Mishnah say about a blacksmith who is striking with his hammer on his anvil, and sparks fly up and cause damage?

(b)Likewise, if a camel is walking down the street, and the bail of flax that it is carrying enters a store, catches fire on a burning candle, and sets fire to the entire building, the Tana obligates the owner of the camel to pay for the damage. What will be the Din if the store-keeper placed his candle outside the store, according to ...

1. ... the Tana Kama?

2. ... Rebbi Yehudah?

(c)How does Ravina extrapolate from Rebbi Yehudah that l'Chatchilah one is obligated to place one's Ner Chanukah lower than ten Tefachim?

(d)How do we reject Ravina's proof? If it is not a Mitzvah to place the Ner Chanukah higher than ten Tefachim, then why do we not hold him responsible for damages that it caused below the height of a camel and its rider?

7)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that a blacksmith is liable for sparks that fly from his hammer as he strikes the anvil, and causes damage.

(b)Likewise, if a camel is walking down the street, and the bail of flax that it is carrying enters a store, catches fire on a burning candle, and sets fire to the entire building, the Tana obligates the owner of the camel to pay for the damage. If the store-keeper placed his candle outside the store, according to ...

1. ... the Tana Kama the storekeeper will always be liable.

2. ... Rebbi Yehudah the storekeeper will be liable at all times except for on Chanukah (when it is a Mitzvah to place one's Ner-Chanukah outside).

(c)Ravina extrapolates from Rebbi Yehudah that l'Chatchilah one is obligated to place one's Ner Chanukah lower than ten Tefachim because otherwise, why does Rebbi Yehudah exempt the person whose Ner Chanukah caused damage? Why is he not liable for not placing it above the level of a camel and its rider?

(d)We reject Ravina's proof on the grounds that even if it was not a Mitzvah to place the Chanukah-lamp higher than ten Tefachim, he would not held responsible for damages that his lamp caused below the height of a camel and its rider because we do not want to put someone who is performing a Mitzvah to go through so much trouble.

8)

(a)Which Halachah did Rav Kahana, quoting ... Rebbi Tanchum Darshen concerning the height of Ner Chanukah?

(b)What is the reason for this?

(c)In which two other areas of Halachah do we find the same restriction?

8)

(a)Rav Kahana, quoting ... Rebbi Tanchum, Darshened that a Ner Chanukah that is above twenty Amos is Pasul.

(b)The reason for this is because people do not automatically notice it, and there is therefore no 'Pirsumey Nisa' (publicity of the miracle, a major requirement of the Mitzvah of Ner Chanukah).

(c)The two other areas of Halachah where we find the same restriction are those of Sukah and the beam of a Mavoy (a blind alley, with regard to the Dinim of carrying on Shabbos).

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9)

(a)In which regard does our Mishnah describe the Midah of paying double as being more common than that of four or five times?

(b)What do we extrapolate from the Pasuk "v'Gunav mi'Beis ha'Ish"?

(c)What does the Tana say about Shimon who slaughters or sells the ox or the sheep that Reuven stole?

9)

(a)The Tana of our Mishnah describes the Midah of paying double as being more common than that of four and five times inasmuch as the former pertains to any object that the Ganav stole, whereas the latter is restricted to an ox and a sheep.

(b)We extrapolate from the Pasuk "v'Gunav mi'Beis ha'Ish" "mi'Beis ha'Ish", 've'Lo mi'Beis ha'Ganav' (meaning that if someone stole from the Ganav, he is Patur from paying double).

(c)The Tana declares Shimon Patur in the event that he slaughters or sells the ox or the sheep that Reuven stole.

10)

(a)What did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan say about a To'en Ta'anas Ganav by a Pikadon ...

1. ... who is found to have sworn falsely?

2. ... who then slaughters or sells the ox or the sheep?

(b)What would we otherwise have thought had Rebbi Yochanan not issued this ruling?

(c)How do we support Rebbi Yochanan's ruling from our Mishnah?

(d)On what grounds do we then reject it in the second Lashon?

10)

(a)Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan says that a To'en Ta'anas Ganav by a Pikadon ...

1. ... who is found to have sworn falsely pays double.

2. ... who then slaughters or sells the ox or the sheep pays four or five times.

(b)Had Rebbi Yochanan not issued this ruling, we would have thought that he pays double but not four or five times.

(c)We support Rebbi Yochanan's ruling from our Mishnah which does not list this as another difference between the Midah of double and that of four or five times.

(d)In the second Lashon, we reject this proof however on the grounds that maybe the Tana leaves out some distinctions between Kefel and Arba'ah va'Chamishah ('Tana v'Shiyer') see Tosfos DH Merubeh ka'Tani').

11)

(a)The Beraisa discusses the details of the Shevu'ah required by a Shomer Sachar when he alleges that the article was stolen or lost. What does the Tana learn from the 'Klal u'Frat u'Chlal - "Al Kol Devar Pesha, Al Shor Al Chamor Al Seh v'Al Salmah, Al Kol Aveidah"? Which two specifications are required before he swears?

(b)On what basis do we now preclude ...

1. ... Karka'os from a Shevu'ah?

2. ... Avadim"

3. ... Shtaros?

(c)The Tana also precludes Hekdesh. What is his source for that?

11)

(a)The Beraisa discusses the details of the Shevu'ah required by a Shomer Sachar when he alleges that the article was stolen or lost. The Tana learns from the 'Klal u'Frat u'Chlal' "Al Kol Devar Pesha, Al Shor Al Chamor Al Seh v'Al Salmah; Al Kol Aveidah" that one only swears on something that is movable and has intrinsic value.

(b)We now preclude ...

1. ... Karka'os from a Shevu'ah, on the grounds that they are not movable.

2. ... Avadim" that they are compared to Karka'os.

3. ... Shtaros that they do not have intrinsic value.

(c)The Tana also precludes Hekdesh due to the fact that the Torah also writes "Shor Re'eihu", from which we Darshen 've'Lo shel Hekdesh' (as we learned in the first Perek).

12)

(a)What does the Tana attempt to preclude, based on the fact that, out of all living creatures, the 'Prat' lists only Shor, Chamor and Seh?

(b)Why is the fact that the Torah adds 'Salmah' not sufficient justification to include birds?

(c)What do we mean when we say 'de'ha Kol v'Chad Klal u'Frat b'Apei Nafsheih Darshinan'?

12)

(a)Based on the fact that the 'Prat' lists only Shor, Chamor and Seh the Tana attempts to preclude birds, whose carcasses are not Metamei through touching and carrying.

(b)The fact that the Torah adds 'Salmah' is not sufficient justification to include them because "Salmah" is not an animal (see following answer).

(c)When we say 'de'ha Kol Chad v'Chad Klal u'Frat b'Apei Nafsheih Darshinan', we mean that since there are so many 'Peratim', we cannot lump them together and use "Salmah" to include all other living creatures. But each 'Prat' must be Darshened independently.