BAVA KAMA 108 (9 Adar I) - Dedicated l'Iluy Nishmas Sarah bas Zishe Ehrmann, by her grandson Zev Rosenbaum (of Yerushalayim), in honor of her Yahrzeit

1)

(a)Rava resolves Rami bar Chama's She'eilah from a Beraisa which discusses a case where Shimon denies having stolen Reuven's ox and accepts Reuven's oath to that effect. What does the Tana rule in a case where ...

1. ... witnesses then testify that he swore falsely?

2. ... he subsequently admits to that effect?

(b)What can we extrapolate from there in a case where Shimon admits after the witnesses testified?

(c)What does Rava prove from there?

1)

(a)Rava resolves Rami bar Chama's She'eilah from a Beraisa, which rules that if Shimon denies having stolen Reuven's ox and accepts Reuven's oath to that effect, in a case where ...

1. ... witnesses then testify that he stole - that he pays Kefel.

2. ... he subsequently admits that he swore falsely - that he pays Keren, Chomesh and Asham.

(b)We can extrapolate from there that if Shimon were to admit after the witnesses had testified - he would be Patur from the Chomesh and the Asham.

(c)Rava proves from here - that it must be the fact that he pays Kefel that exempts To'en Ta'anas Ganav from Chomesh ve'Asham, and not the Shevu'ah (seeing as here it is not the Shevu'ah which obligates him to pay Kefel but the witnesses).

2)

(a)Ravina asks whether the fact that Reuven pays Kefel will exempt Shimon from paying Chomesh ve'Asham. What is the case?

(b)What is the outcome of Ravina's She'eilah?

(c)Rav Papa asks whether the exemption of 'Mamon she'Eino Mishtalem be'Rosh' (where the obligation to pay Kefel exempts payment of the Chomesh [which we are currently discussing]) will extend to where the second payment falls under the same category as the first. Which two cases does Rav Papa's She'eilah incorporate?

(d)We resolve this She'eilah with Rava's D'rashah on the Pasuk in Vayikra "va'Chamishisav Yosef Alav" (in connection with the Chiyuv of Chomesh). What does Rava learn from this Pasuk? What does he prove from there?

2)

(a)Ravina asks whether the fact that Reuven pays Kefel will exempt Shimon from paying Chomesh ve'Asham, in a case where - Levi handed his ox to Reuven and Shimon, who then claim that the ox was stolen, only Reuven subsequently admits to having sworn falsely, whilst witnesses testify that Shimon it was Shimon who did so.

(b)The outcome of Ravina's She'eilah is - Teiku.

(c)Rav Papa asks whether the exemption of 'Mamon she'Eino Mishtalem be'Rosh' (where the obligation to pay Kefel exempts payment of the Chomesh [which is what we are currently discussing]) will extend to where the second payment is the same as the first (whether Kefel will exempt Kefel, or Asham, Asham). The two cases that Rav Papa's She'eilah incorporate are - a. if the Shomer claimed that the object got lost and then confessed to having sworn falsely and b. where he claimed that it was stolen and then witnesses testified to that effect.

(d)We resolve this She'eilah with Rava, who Darshens from the Pasuk "va'Chamishisav Yosef Alav" - that it is possible to pay Chomesh a number of times for one Keren, from which we can see that 'Mamon ha'Mishtalem be'Rosh' is confined to two different obligations, but does not apply when the two obligations are of the same kind (and we can safely assume that if Chomesh does not exempt Chomesh, Kefel does not exempt Kefel either (see also Tosfos ha'Rosh).

3)

(a)According to Abaye, if the Ganav is found after the Shomer first swore and then paid, the Kefel goes to the owner. What does Rava say?

(b)Rava bases his reasoning on the fact that, when all's said and done, the Shomer has paid, so the owner grants him the Kefel. On what grounds does Abaye disagree?

(c)How does ...

1. ... Abaye infer his ruling from the Reisha of the Mishnah in 'Hamafkid', which grants the Kefel to the Shomer because 'he paid and didn't want to swear'?

2. ... Rava infer his ruling from the Seifa, which grants the Kefel to the Shomer because 'he swore and didn't want to pay'?

(d)How does ...

1. ... Abaye explain the Seifa? Why does the Tana say 'he swore and didn't want to pay'?

2. ... Rava explain the Reisha? Why does the Tana say 'he paid and didn't want to swear'?

3)

(a)According to Abaye, if the Ganav is found after the Shomer first swore and then paid, the Kefel goes to the owner. Rava maintains - that it goes to the Shomer.

(b)Rava bases his reasoning on the fact that, when all's said and done, the Shomer has paid, so the owner grants him the Kefel. Abaye's disagrees however, on the grounds - that although he paid in the end, the owner does not forget how he first exempted himself with a Shevu'ah.

(c)

1. Abaye infers his ruling from the Reisha of the Mishnah in 'Hamafkid', which grants the Kefel to the Shomer because 'he paid and didn't want to swear' - implying that had he sworn, he would not have received the Kefel (in spite of the fact that he did eventually pay).

2. Rava infers his ruling from the Seifa, which grants the Kefel to the Shomer because 'he swore and didn't want to pay' - implying that, if had he paid, he would have received the Kefel (even though he opted to swear first).

(d)

1. According to Abaye, when the Tana says in the Seifa 'he swore and didn't want to pay', he means - before the Shevu'ah (but after the Shevu'ah, paying won't help him).

2. And according to Rava, when the Tana says in the Reisha 'he paid and didn't want to swear' he means - that he paid and didn't want to abide by his Shevu'ah.

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4)

(a)What She'eilah do we ask with regard to a case where a Shomer swears that he is Patur, then the Ganav who has been discovered, admits to the Shomer that he stole the article, but denies it when the owner claims it from him, and finally the owner brings witnesses?

(b)Seeing as the Ganav confessed to the Shomer, on what grounds might he nevertheless be Chayav to pay Kefel?

(c)How does Rava resolve the She'eilah?

4)

(a)We ask what the Din will be in a case where a Shomer swears that he is Patur, then the Ganav who has been discovered, admits to the Shomer that he stole the article, but denies it when the owner claims it from him, and finally the owner brings witnesses - whether (based on the principle 'Modeh bi'Kenas Patur') his admission to the Shomer exempts him from having to pay Kefel.

(b)Despite the fact that the Ganav confessed to the Shomer, he might nevertheless be Chayav to pay Kefel - because when the Shomer swore, he forfeited his Shemirah, in which case, the Ganav's admission was meaningless.

(c)Rava resolves the She'eilah - by differentiating between where the Shomer swore correctly (in which case the owner retains his services and the Ganav's admission is valid), and where he swore falsely (in which case the owner rejects them).

5)

(a)Another text reverses the logic. According to that text, why would one obligate the Ganav to pay Kefel when the Shomer swore correctly, and exempt him when he swore falsely?

(b)And how, based on the She'eilah that follows, do we refute this text?

(c)And what She'eilah does Rava ask with regard to a case where the Shomer wanted to swear falsely but was stopped from doing so? What are the two sides of the She'eilah?

(d)What is the outcome of the She'eilah?

5)

(a)Another text reverses the logic. According to that text, the Ganav would be obligated to pay Kefel when the Shomer swore correctly - because then the latter has nothing more to do with the owner, and his claim from the Ganav would be meaningless; whereas if he swore falsely, the Ganav would be exempt from paying Kefel, seeing as the Shomer's connections with the owner remained intact, and his claim from the Ganav would be valid.

(b)We refute this text however - on the grounds that it would then be obvious that the same would apply to a case where he only intended to swear but was prevented from doing so (where his ties with the owner would be even stronger than when he actually swore, seeing as witnesses that he was negligent have yet to testify against him), . Consequently, the following She'eilah would have no basis.

(c)Rava also asks what the Din will be in a case where the Shomer wanted to swear falsely but was stopped from doing so - since, on the one hand, he did not swear falsely (so the owner still retains his services), whereas on the other, seeing as he wanted to swear falsely, the owner no longer trusts him.

(d)The outcome of the She'eilah is - 'Teiku'.

6)

(a)The above is Rav Kahana's version of the She'eilah. According to Rav Tivyumi, Rava's She'eilah is whether, in the above case, the Ganav is exempt from Kefel if the Shomer swore falsely. On what grounds might he be Patur? Why might the owner appreciate the Shomer's false Shevu'ah?

(b)What is the outcome of this version of the She'eilah?

(c)And what She'eilah do we then ask with regard to a case where the Shomer pays the owner, then the Ganav, who has been discovered, admits to the owner that he stole the article, but denies it when the Shomer claims from him, and finally the Shomer brings witnesses?

(d)On the one hand, the Shomer claims that the owner has already received his payment from him, in which case, he has nothing more to do with the case, and the Ganav's admission in meaningless. How, on the other hand, does the owner counter this?

(e)What is the outcome of this She'eilah?

6)

(a)The above is Rav Kahana's version of the She'eilah. According to Rav Tivyumi, Rava's She'eilah is whether, in the above case, the Ganav is exempt from Kefel if the Shomer swore falsely. He might be Patur - because having sworn falsely, he is bound to retract on that oath and pay, in which case his claim from the Ganav is a valid one.

(b)The outcome of this version of the She'eilah too is - 'Teiku'.

(c)We then ask with what the Din will be in a case where the Shomer pays the owner, then the Ganav, who has been discovered, admits to the owner that he stole the article, but denies it when the Shomer claims from him, and finally the Shomer brings witnesses - whether the Ganav's admission to the owner exempts him from paying Kefel to the Shomer or not.

(d)On the one hand, the Shomer claims that the owner has already received his payment from him, in which case, he has nothing more to do with the case, and the Ganav's admission in meaningless. The owner counters this, on the other hand - with the argument that by finding the Ganav, he has already paid him back for having paid (rather than exempting himself with a Shevu'ah, so it will suffice if he takes the Keren that he laid out, and the owner takes the Kefel.

(e)The outcome of this She'eilah too, is - 'Teiku'.

7)

(a)What is the Din of a Shomer Sachar in a case where an armed robber steals the article?

(b)What choice does Abaye give the Shomer Chinam there in the event that the armed robber is discovered?

(c)What if the Shomer is a Shomer Chinam? Why the difference?

(d)What does Rava say?

7)

(a)If an armed robber steals an article, a Shomer Sachar is - Patur.

(b)In the event that the armed robber is discovered - Abaye gives the Shomer Chinam the choice - of either paying and claiming from the Ganav (should he so wish) or swearing and letting the owner take the robber to court.

(c)If the Shomer is a Shomer Sachar - who has more responsibility than a Shomer Chinam, he has no choice. He is obligated to pay and claim himself from the Ganav.

(d)According to Rava however - the Shomer Chinam has the same Din as the Shomer Sachar. He too, is obligated to pay and claim from the Ganav.

8)

(a)How do we establish the Machlokes between Abaye and Rava, in order to reconcile it with Rav Huna bar Avin, who appeears to hold like Abaye?

(b)If they are speaking where the Shomer has already sworn, how can they say 'Ratzah, Nishba'?

(c)Rabah Zuti asks a She'eilah in connection with an armed robber who steals the animal from the Shomer's house, and returns it. What exactly is his She'eilah?

(d)What is the outcome of the She'eilah?

8)

(a)In order to reconcile Rava with Rav Huna bar Avin, who appears to hold like Abaye, we establish the Machlokes between Abaye and Rava - where the Shomer Chinam already swore. Otherwise, Rava would concede that h would have the right to pay, leaving the owner to take the robber to Beis-Din.

(b)And when they said 'Ratza Nishba', they mean - that the Shomer has the choice of abiding by his Shevu'ah.

(c)Rabah Zuti asks whether if an armed robber steals the animal from the Shomer's house, and returns it - the Shomer is Chayav should it subsequently die due to his negligence. On the other hand, maybe he is Patur because his term of guarding came to an end when the animal was stolen from his house.

(d)Here too, the outcome of the She'eilah is - 'Teiku'.

9)

(a)What does our Mishnah rule in a case where the Shomer claims that the Pikadon got lost and swears to that effect ...

1. ... if witnesses then testify that he actually ate it?

2. ... if he then confesses that he ate it?

(b)What if, instead of claiming that the Pikadon got lost, he claims that it was stolen?

9)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that if the Shomer claims that the Pikadon got lost and swears to that effect ...

1. ... if witnesses then testify that he actually ate it - he pays the Keren.

2. ... if he then confesses that he ate it - he pays Keren, Chomesh ve'Asham.

(b)If, instead of claiming that the Pikadon got lost, he claims that it was stolen - then, in the former case (where witnesses testified that he ate it) he is Chayav to pay Kefel.

10)

(a)What will be the Din if someone steals from his father, swears that he is innocent, and then, after his father's death (see Maharsha), he admits to his brothers or uncles that he swore falsely?

(b)Is he permitted to retain the amount corresponding to his own portion in his father's inheritance?

(c)What is the reason for this stringent ruling?

(d)What can he do to save his inheritance, in the event that he does not wish to lose it?

10)

(a)If someone steals from his father, swears that he is innocent, and then, after his father's death (see Maharsha), he admits to his brothers or uncles that he swore falsely - he is obligated to pay the Chomesh to them.

(b)He is not even permitted to retain the amount corresponding to his own portion in his father's inheritance ...

(c)... because of his obligation to fulfill the Mitzvah of Hashavah.

(d)In the event that he does not wish to lose his inheritance - he is permitted to borrow money and allow the creditors to claim their debt from his inheritance.

11)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that if a father says to his son 'I Atah Neheneh mi'Sheli', the latter nevertheless inherits his property when he dies. On what condition will he not do so?

(b)What will then happen to his portion?

(c)What can he do to save his inheritance, in the event that he does not have enough to live on?

11)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that if a father declares to his son 'I Atah Neheneh mi'Sheli', the latter nevertheless inherits his property when he dies - unless he added 'be'Chayi u've'Mosi'.

(b)His portion then goes to his father's heirs (his brothers or his uncles).

(c)To save his inheritance, in the event that he does not have enough to live on - he can borrow money ... (as we just explained).