CHULIN 30 (19 Teves) - Dedicated in memory of Hagaon Rav Yisrael Avraham Abba ben Harav Chaim Binyamin Ze'ev Krieger ZT"L, author of Yad Yisrael (on Rambam) and many other Sefarim. Dedicated by his granddaughter and her husband, Mr. and Mrs. Avi and Lily Berger, of Queens, New York.

1)

(a)The Mishnah in Pesachim discusses the La'av of "Lo Sishchat al Chametz Dam Zivchi". Why is someone who possesses Chametz and who Shechts a Korban Pesach on Pesach ...

1. ... li'Shemo (as a Pesach) Patur from Malkos?

2. ... she'Lo li'Shemo (as a Shelamim) Chayav?

(b)What do we extrapolate from the Seifa with regard to Shechting it S'tam?

(c)What do we initially learn from there?

(d)How did Rebbi Chiya bar Gamda, quoting the entire group of Talmidei-Chachamim, establish the case, to accommodate even those who hold that normally, a Pesach does not require Akirah?

1)

(a)The Mishnah in Pesachim discusses the La'av of "Lo Sishchat al Chametz Dam Zivchi". Someone who possesses Chametz and who Shechts a Korban Pesach on Pesach ...

1. ... li'Shemo (as a Pesach) is Patur from Malkos - because, since a Pesach after the fourteenth of Nisan is not fit to be brought as a Korban Pesach, it is Pasul (and one is not Chayav "Lo Sishchat" on a Shechitah Pesulah).

2. ... she'Lo li'Shemo (as a Shelamim) is Chayav - because that is what a Pesach after the fourteenth has become.

(b)We extrapolate from the Seifa that - if he Shechts it S'tam, he is Patur ...

(c)... indicating that it remains a Pesach. Initially, we learn from there that - a Pesach after the fourteenth requires Akirah (verbal designation), to change it from its original status).

(d)To accommodate even those who hold that normally, a Pesach does not require Akirah, Rebbi Chiya bar Gamda, quoting the entire group of Chachamim, establishes the case where - the owner was Tamei on the fourteenth, and was therefore destined to bring the Pesach Sheini, in which case, the lamb stood to be brought then as well, which is why it requires Akirah (in this case exclusively).

2)

(a)How does this Beraisa pose a Kashya on Resh Lakish (Einah li'Shechitah Ela be'Sof)? At which stage does the animal become unfit to be brought as a Korban Pesach Sheini?

(b)Then why is it also not Pasul because of Shechitas Pesach she'Lo bi'Zemano?

(c)How does Abaye answer the Kashya? In what way is the Korban fit to be brought as a Pesach after all?

(d)And how do we resolve the problem of Ha'amadah ve'Ha'arachah (that an animal requires to be stood and assessed before it can be redeemed) on an animal that is virtually Shechted?

2)

(a)This Beraisa poses a Kashya on Resh Lakish (Einah li'Shechitah Ela be'Sof) - inasmuch as, according to him, after performing part of the Shechitah on the animal, it is no longer fit to be brought on Pesach Sheini, in which case it stands to be brought as a Shelamim, so why does it require Akirah?

(b)It is not however, Pasul because of Shechitas Pesach she'Lo bi'Zemano (which would answer our Kashya) - because we are currently speaking according to Resh Lakish, who holds that the beginning of the Shechitah does not have the Din of Shechitah.

(c)Abaye answers this Kashya however - by pointing out that even though the partially Shechted animal is no longer fit to be brought as a Korban Pesach Sheini, it is fit to be redeemed (since at some stage before the conclusion of the Shechitah it definitely becomes a Ba'al-Mum), and its money to be used for a Korban Pesach.

(d)Nor is there a problem of Ha'amadah ve'Ha'arachah (that an animal requires to be stood and assessed before it can be redeemed) on an animal that is virtually Shechted - because as we will learn in the fourth Perek even if one Shechts two Simanim and the animal is still convulsing, it is considered alive, in which case it can still be redeemed.

3)

(a)On what grounds did Shmuel object, when Rav Yehudah told him that Rav permitted a Shechitah that was performed at a few different locations on the neck (on different rings)?

(b)What did Resh Lakish learn from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Chetz Shachut Leshonam"?

(c)How did Rebbi Yirmiyah establish the Mishnah (on the following Amud), which permits two people to Shecht together, even if one Shechts higher up (towards the head) and the other lower down (towards the body), to reconcile it with Shmuel and Resh Lakish?

(d)And what does the Tana then mean when he says 'one on top and one below'?

3)

(a)When Rav Yehudah told Shmuel that Rav permitted a Shechitah that was performed at a few different locations on the neck (on different rings), the latter objected on the grounds that - the Shechitah needs to be a Shechitah Mefura'as (clear-cut, all in one location).

(b)Resh Lakish learns from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Chetz Shachut Leshonam" that - Shechitah, like the piercing of an arrow, should be in one place (Shechitah Mefura'as).

(c)To reconcile the Mishnah (on the following Amud) which permits two people to Shecht together, even if one Shechts higher up (towards the head) and the other lower down (towards the body), with Shmuel and Resh Lakish, Rebbi Yirmiyah establishes it - where the two people are holding the same knife.

(d)And when the Tana says 'one on top and one below' - he means that they are holding the knife together and Shechting diagonally.

4)

(a)How did Rebbi Aba query Rebbi Yirmiyah's interpretation, from the Beraisa which comments on the Mishnah 've'Ein Chosh'shin Shema Yitr'fu Zeh al Zeh'? What ought the Beraisa to have said, according to him?

(b)Why would this not be necessary if the Mishnah was talking about two people with two knives?

(c)How did Rebbi Avin amend the Beraisa to conform to Rebbi Yirmiyah?

(d)How will Shmuel and Resh Lakish establish the Beraisa cited by Rebbi Avin, which validates a Shechitah where the Shochet Shechts the Veshet lower down and the Kaneh higher up, or vice-versa?

4)

(a)Rebbi Aba queried Rebbi Yirmiyah's interpretation from the Beraisa, which comments on the Mishnah 've'Ein Chosh'shin Shema Yitr'fu Zeh al Zeh', which, according to Rebbi Yirmiyah, ought to have said - ve'Ein Chosh'shin Shema Yidr'su Zeh al Zeh (seeing as they are both holding the knife, the only thing we need to be afraid of) is D'risah).

(b)This would not be necessary if the Mishnah was talking about two people with two knives - because then we would be afraid that each one will rely on the other one, with the result that between the two of them, they might also fail to cut Rov Simanim (see Tosfos DH 'Dilma Samchi').

(c)So that the Beraisa should conform to Rebbi Yirmiyah, Rebbi Avin amended it to read - 'Ein Chosh'shin Shema Yidr'su Zeh al Zeh'.

(d)Shmuel and Resh Lakish establish the Beraisa cited by Rebbi Avin, which validates a Shechitah where the Shochet Shechts the Veshet lower down and the Kaneh higher up, or vice-versa - where he Shechted the Veshet and the Kaneh diagonally (so that they are cut in one place, and it is indeed a Shechitah Mefura'as [like Rebbi Yirmiyah]).

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5)

(a)What did Rebbi Yitzchak bar Shmuel bar Marsa do when they brought him an ox that had been Shechted in two or three places?

(b)What did Rebbi Zeira comment to him regarding the Mishnah that we just discussed ('Shenayim Ochzin be'Sakin ... Shechitoso Kesheirah')?

5)

(a)When they brought Rebbi Yitzchak bar Shmuel bar Marsa an ox that had been Shechted in two or three places - he purchased the best parts and ate them.

(b)Rebbi Zeira commented to him that he clearly disagreed with Shmuel and Resh Lakish - and interpreted the Mishnah that we just discussed ('Shenayim Ochzin be'Sakin ... Shechitoso Kesheirah') by two people and two knives.

6)

(a)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav invalidates the Shechitah in a case of Hichlid bein Si'man le'Si'man. What does that mean?

(b)And what does he say about someone who is Machlid, by Shechting the Simanim from under the skin?

(c)In a Mishnah later in the Perek, Rebbi Yesheivav declares an animal that is Shechted (upwards) from underneath the Simanim, a Neveilah. What does Rebbi Akiva say?

(d)In view of that Mishnah, what Chidush is Rav Yehudah Amar Rav coming to teach us?

6)

(a)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav invalidates the Shechitah in a case of Hichlid bein Si'man le'Si'man - where the Shochet placed the knife in between the Simanim and Shechted the Veshet (which is situated underneath the Kaneh) in a downward direction, before withdrawing the knife and Shechting the Kaneh.

(b)On the other hand, if someone is Machlid, by Shechting the Simanim from under the skin - he declares the Shechitah Kasher.

(c)In a Mishnah later in the Perek, Rebbi Yesheivav declares an animal that is Shechted (upwards) from underneath the Simanim, a Neveilah. Rebbi Akiva - a T'reifah.

(d)In view of that Mishnah, Rav Yehudah Amar Rav is coming to teach us that - the Shechitah is Pasul, even if one Shechts the Veshet in a downward direction, which is how a Shechitah is normally performed.

7)

(a)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav validates a Shechitah where the Shochet places the knife under the animal's skin and Shechts. What does bei Rav say?

(b)They asked what the Din will be if the Shochet Shechts from under a cloth that is tied around the animal's neck. According to whom do they ask it? Why might the cloth be different?

(c)On the assumption that the cloth is not considered Chaladah, what other She'eilah did they ask?

(d)We remain with Teiku on both She'eilos. How do we rule on this issue?

7)

(a)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav validates a Shechitah where the Shochet places the knife under the animal's skin and Shechts. bei Rav - is unsure.

(b)They asked what the Din will be if the Shochet Shechts from under a cloth that is tied around the animal's neck (see also Rabeinu Gershom) - whether bei Rav is uncertain about that too, or whether they will conceed to Rav Yehudah that the Shechitah is Kasher, since the cloth is not an intrinsic part of the animal.

(c)On the assumption that the cloth is not considered Chaladah, they asked - whether it will be Chaladah if the Shochet places the knife underneath matted wool on the animal's neck and Shechts.

(d)We remain with Teiku on both She'eilos. le'Halachah - we apply the principle Safek Isur le'Chumra, and consider the Shechitah Pasul.

8)

(a)Rav Papa asked what the Din will be if 'Hichlid be'Miy'ut Simanim'. What is the She'eilah?

(b)Rav Papa is speaking about the Shochet concluding the Shechitah with Chaladah, as we explained. What will be the Din if he begins the Shechitah with Chaladah and performs the rest regularly?

(c)In the case of Rav Papa's She'eilah, the Shechitah might be Pasul because it is all one Shechitah. Why might it be Kasher?

(d)What is the outcome of the She'eilah?

8)

(a)Rav Papa asked what the Din will be if Hichlid be'Miy'ut Simanim - after Shechting the Kaneh and most of the Veshet without Chaladah, he turns the knife around and cuts the remainder of the Veshet with Chaladah.

(b)Rav Papa is speaking about the Shochet concluding the Shechitah with Chaladah, as we explained. But if he begins the Shechitah with Chaladah - it will be Pasul irrespective of how he continues.

(c)In the case of Rav Papa's She'eilah, the Shechitah might be Pasul because it is all one Shechitah. On the other hand, it might be Kasher - because by the time he makes Chaladah, the Shechitah has already been completed.

(d)The outcome of the She'eilah - is Teiku (and, as we already explained, the Halachah is Safek Isur le'Chumra).

9)

(a)What bearing does the previous ruling have on the remaining four Pesulim?

(b)How will we then rule in a case of Shachat Sh'nei Shelishi Vehigrim Sh'lish, which remained a Safek in the first Perek?

(c)How will we reconcile this with the Sugya earlier, which validated a case of Shachat Chatzi Gargeres Veshahah bah, Vegamrah, even according to those who hold Mechtzah al Mechtzah ke'Rov, seeing as technically, the Shechitah has already been completed?

9)

(a)In fact - the previous ruling will apply to all the other four Pesulim as well.

(b)Consequently, in a case of Shachat Sh'nei Shelishi Ve'higrim Sh'lish (which remained a Safek in the first Perek) - the ruling is le'Chumra, like the Rabbanan of Rebbi Yossi bar Yehudah (see also Tosfos DH 'Hichlid').

(c)To reconcile this with the Sugya earlier, which validated a case of Shachat Chatzi Gargeres Veshahah bah, Ve'gamrah, even according to those who hold Mechtzah al Mechtzah ke'Rov (seeing as technically, the Shechitah has already been completed) - we reject this statement as a Dochek, and accept the other half of the Mah Nafshach there, that Mechtzah al Mechtzah Eino ke'Rov (based on the conclusion that this is how we rule).

10)

(a)What does our Mishnah say in a case where ...

1. ... someone Shechts two animals simultaneously?

2. ... two people hold a knife and Shecht (which we discussed on the previous Amud), even if one is Shechting higher up and one lower down?

3. ... the Shochet chops of the animal's head in one go? Why is that?

(b)What will be the Din if he severs the head whilst performing Holachah (moving the knife away from his body) ...

1. ... or Hova'ah (drawing it towards it)?

2. ... and Hova'ah?

(c)This last ruling applies even if the Shochet is using an Izmal. What is an Izmal?

10)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that in a case where ...

1. ... someone Shechts two animals simultaneously - the Shechitah is Kasher.

2. ... two people hold a knife and Shecht (which we discussed on the previous Amud), even if one is Shechting higher up and one lower down - the Shechitah is Kasher, too.

3. ... the Shochet chops of the head in one go - the Shechitah is Pasul on account of D'rasah.

(b)If he severs the head whilst performing Holachah (moving the knife away from himself) ...

1. ... or Hova'ah (drawing it towards himself) - the Shechitah is Pasul.

2. ... and Hova'ah - it is Kasher, provided the knife is at least twice the length of the neck (at the thickest part).

(c)This last ruling applies even if the Shochet is using an Izmal - a thin, small razor (in which case he will have to make Holachah and Hova'ah as many times as necessary until he has cut through the two Simanim.

11)

(a)What does Shmuel learn from the Pasuk in Tehilim "Chetz Shachut Leshonam"? In what way does our Mishnah learn Shechitah from an arrow?

(b)Tana de'bei Rebbi Yishmael too, learns it from there, but only after first trying to learn it from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Zahav Shachut". How does he initially interpret "Shachut" there?

(c)On what grounds does he then reject that interpretation? How does he prefer to interpret "Zahav Shachut"?

11)

(a)Shmuel learns from the Pasuk in Tehilim "Chetz Shachut Leshonam" that - Shechitah must be performed by drawing the knife (like the motion of an arrow), and not cutting the neck with a downward stroke).

(b)Tana de'bei Rebbi Yishmael too, learns it from there, but only after first trying to learn it from the Pasuk "Zahav Shachut", which he initially interprets to mean - 'smelted gold' [a Lashon of flowing]).

(c)He rejects that interpretation however, preferring to interpreting "Zahav Shachut" as - the acronym of 'she'Nitveh ka'Chut' (spun like a thread).

12)

(a)What did Rebbi Yona bar Tachlifa do with the arrow that Rava examined for him?

(b)How did he prove that he had not performed Chaladah?

(c)What does Rebbi Zeira Amar Rav learn from the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "Vechisahu be'Afar"?

(d)So how did Rava fulfill the Mitzvah of Kisuy ha'Dam?

12)

(a)After Rava had examined an arrow for Rebbi Yona bar Tachlifa - the latter used it to Shecht a bird in flight.

(b)He proved that he had not performed Chaladah - by subsequently ascertaining that all the plumage around the neck had been cut.

(c)We learn from the Pasuk "Vechisahu be'Afar" (which implies that the blood is placed in the middle of the earth) that - Kisuy ha'Dam entails placing earth both underneath the blood and on top of top of it.

(d)Rebbi Yona bar Tachlifa fulfilled the Mitzvah of Kisuy ha'Dam - by digging up the field over which the bird that he intended to shoot would fly.

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