TOSFOS DH V'RAV
úåñôåú ã"ä åøá
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why the Gemara asked a question on Rav.)
ä"î ìîéîø ìø' éåçðï àé áéã àé áùåîø ÷ùéà ñéôà åìàå ÷åùéà âîåøä äéà ãî÷ùä ìøá
Implied Question: The Gemara could have asked that according to Rebbi Yochanan, whether he understands the second part of the Tosefta is discussing a Yad or a Shomer, it is difficult. This is therefore not really a question that is only on Rav! (Why did the Gemara act as if this is only a question on Rav?)
àìà ôéøåù áòìîà ãîôøù îéìúéä àìéáà ãëåìäå úðàé
Answer: Rather, asking this question enabled the Gemara to explain that Rav can hold according to both of the Tanaim (mentioned in the Tosefta).
TOSFOS DH V'REBBI YOCHANAN...B'YAD
úåñôåú ã"ä åøáé éåçðï àîø ëåìä áéã
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why the Gemara did not give a different answer according to Rebbi Yochanan.)
ä"î ìîéîø ëåìä áùåîø åëú"÷
Implied Question: It could have said that the entire Tosefta is discussing a Shomer, and that Rebbi Yochanan holds like the Tana Kama.
ãìú"÷ àôéìå áùìùä òöîåú ùéù áëì àçã ôçåú îëôåì îöèøôéï ìëæéú åùðé òöîåú ãð÷è ìäåãéòê ëçå ãø' éäåãä áï ð÷åñà
Implied Question (cont.): This is because according to the Tana Kama, even if there were three bones and each had less than a bean of meat on them, they would combine to be a Kzayis. The only reason why the Tosefta dealt with two bones was to show the strong position of Rebbi Yehudah ben Nekusa. (Why didn't the Gemara give this answer?)
àìà îùåí ãàîø äù"ñ ìøá àé áéã ÷ùéà øéùà ÷àîø ãøáé éåçðï îå÷é ìä áéã åìà ÷ùéà øéùà äåà äãéï áùåîø
Answer: Rather, because the Gemara said according to Rav that if the Tosefta is discussing Yad the first part of it is difficult, the Gemara says that Rebbi Yochanan can understand it is discussing a Yad. However, it could just as easily be discussing a Shomer according to Rebbi Yochanan.
åîùåí ãìøáé éåçðï à"ù áéï áéã áéï áùåîø ëú"÷ ãéé÷ îòé÷øà àìéáà ãøá
Observation: Since Rebbi Yochanan can establish the first part of the Tosefta as being according to the Tana Kama and discussing either a Yad or a Shomer, the Gemara first discussed Rav's understanding of the Tosefta.
TOSFOS DH V'REBBI YOCHANAN...B'SHOMER
úåñôåú ã"ä åøáé éåçðï àîø ëåìä áùåîø
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why the Gemara says the case is Yados according to both Rebbi Yochanan and Rav.)
åáéã ìà áòé ìàå÷åîé àò"â ãäåä ðéçà èôé
Implied Question: He did not want to say it is discussing a case of Yados, even though it would have seemingly been a better fit with the opinion of Rebbi Yochanan. (Why, then, didn't the Gemara give this answer?)
ëãôéøù á÷åðèøñ îùåí ãîùîò ãáùåîø îééøé
Answer: This is as Rashi explains that the implication is that it is referring to a Shomer.
åäà ãîå÷é ìä áéã ìøá
Implied Question: The Gemara establishes that the case is regarding a Yad according to Rav. (Why not say it is regarding a Shomer?)
ëé äéëé ãìé÷åí ëøáé éäåãä ãäìëúà ëååúéä ìâáé ø"î ãàçøéí äééðå ø' îàéø
Answer: This is in order to say it is according to Rebbi Yehudah, as we rule like Rebbi Yehudah in his argument with Acheirim, which refers to Rebbi Meir. (We always rule like Rebbi Yehudah over Rebbi Meir.)
TOSFOS DH V'REBBI YOCHANAN...AIN
úåñôåú ã"ä åøáé éåçðï àîø àéï
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains how Rebbi Yochanan's opinion fits with the opinion of Acheirim.)
àéï ìä÷ùåú äà à"ø éåçðï ìòéì (÷éç:) éù éã ìôçåú îëæéú åùåîø ìôçåú îëôåì åà"ë ò"ë àçøéí ìàå ùéòåøà ÷àîøé ëãà÷ùéðï åùðéðï ìòéì
Implied Question: One should not ask that Rebbi Yochanan said earlier (118b) that there is a Yad for less than a Kzayis and a Shomer for less than the size of a bean. This implies that Acheirim are not saying an amount, as we ask and answer earlier.
ãäëà àúà ìôøåùé îéìúà ãàçøéí ãìà úèòä ìàå÷îéä áéã åìîéîø ãäåé ãå÷à
Answer: Our Gemara is explaining Acheirim's opinion, that one should not make a mistake and establish the case as referring to a Yad and that this specific amount is being referred to as a Yad.
åîäê îéìúà ìà äåä ùîòéðï ãñáéøà ìéä ëàçøéí
Implied Question: However, this does not prove that he holds like Acheirim. (Why not?)
ããìîà äà ãàéöèøéê ìàçøéí ãàéï æä ùéòåø îùåí ãäëé äåä ùîéò ìéä îøáéä
Answer: It is possible that the reason he said that Acheirim do not really mean an amount is because he heard this from his Rebbi (not because he holds this way, see Tosfos ha'Rosh).
ãäùúà ðîé ãñáø ø' éåçðï äëé ö"ì ëãôé' îãìà îå÷é ìä áéã åäåé ëôåì ãå÷à ëé äéëé ãîå÷é ìä øá áéã ìîé÷í ëø' éäåãä àó ò"â ãîùîò ãáùåîø îééøé äëé ðîé ä"ì ìø' éåçðï ìàå÷åîé áéã ëé äéëé ãìäåé ëôåì ãå÷à
Explanation: Now that we know that Rebbi Yochanan holds this way, it must be as I explained earlier (in the previous Tosfos) that Rebbi Yochanan did not say the case is referring to a Yad and is specifically the size of a bean. Otherwise we would say that just like Rav says the case is referring to a Yad in order that he can rule like Rebbi Yehudah, despite the fact that the case seems to be discussing a Shomer, so too Rebbi Yochanan would have said the case is referring to a Yad in order to say that the amount is specifically the size of a bean.
TOSFOS DH SHARVIT
úåñôåú ã"ä ùøáéè
(SUMMARY: Rashi and Tosfos argue regarding the definition of a Sharvit. NOTE: The DH of both this and the next Tosfos are not in our Gemara, but are in the Mishnah in Uktzin 1:5 discussed by our Gemara.)
ôéøù á÷åðèøñ ÷åôà ÷åù"è
Explanation #1: Rashi explains that Kufa is a Kosht (peel).
åìà îùîò ëï ãäà ëúéá áëì äñôøéí ùééø âøâéø àçã áëì ùåîø èîà îëìì ãùøáéè ìàå äééðå ÷åôà ùäåà ùåîø òöîå
Question: This does not appear to be correct, as in all the Sefarim the text is, "If he left a seed in each Shomer it is impure" implying that a Sharvit is not the Kofa, as it itself is a Shomer.
àìà äåà ä÷ìç ùäùåîøéí ãáå÷éí áå ù÷åøéï øéé"ñ ùøé÷ðå ùäåöéà äàåëì îï äùåîøéí èäåø
Explanation #2: Rather, it is the stalk that the Shomrim are connected to which is called a Rais. "That they emptied" means that they took the food out of the Shomrim, and it is therefore pure.
TOSFOS DH SHAYAR
úåñôåú ã"ä ùééø
(SUMMARY: Rashi and Tosfos argue regarding the text of a Mishnah in Uktzin being discussed by our Gemara. NOTE: The Maharam explains that this is a continuation of the previous Tosfos.)
å÷ñ"ã äî÷ùä ãîééøé ëùðâò èåîàä áùåîø åëì äâøâøéï ùáùàø ùåîøéí îöèøôéï ìëáéöä àìîà éù ùåîø ìôçåú îëôåì å÷ùéà ìøáé çðéðà ãàîø äøé æä ùéòåø
Explanation: The questioner currently understands that the case is where impurity touched every Shomer, causing all of the seeds in the other Shomrim to combine to form a k'Beitzah. This implies that there is a Shomer for less than the size of a bean, and is a question on Rebbi Chanina who says that the amount mentioned is a specific amount.
åàò"â ãàìéáà ãàçøéí ÷àîø î"î ôøéê ä"ì ìôøåùé îìúééäå ëîå ùîôøù øáé éåçðï ãàéï æä ùéòåø åìà ìôìåâé àçøéí àäê áøééúà
Explanation (cont.): Even though he is saying this according to Acheirim, the questioner is asking that the this should have been made clear, just as Rebbi Yochanan said that this is not talking about a specific amount in order that Acheirim should not seem to argue on the Beraisa.
åîùðé á÷åìçà ãðâò á÷åìçà åîùåí éã åìà áùåîø
Explanation (cont.): The Gemara answers that the case is where it touched a stalk, and therefore the impurity is due to Yad not because of Shomer.
åìôé îä ùôé' îééúé îéðä ùôéø øàééä ì÷îï âáé àåëì ã÷ñ"ã ãîééøé ëâåï ùðâò áùåîøéí åîùåí ùåîø åîöèøôéï ëì äùåîøéí éçã
Explanation (cont.): According to this explanation (that Sharvit is a stalk and that the text in the Mishnah in Uktzin (1:5) is that a seed remained in every Shomer), it is clear why the Gemara later quotes this is as proof regarding food (becoming impure). The Gemara thinks that the case is where it touched Shomrim and the impurity is due to Shomer, and all of them combine together (to form a k'Beitzah).
àáì ìôéøåù ä÷åðèøñ ãâøéñ ùééø áä âøâéø àçã èîà
Implied Question: However, Rashi explains that the text (in the Mishnah in Uktzin 1:5) reads, "If he left one seed it is impure." (Why, then, does the Gemara later quote this as proof regarding impurity of something the size of a k'Beitzah?)
ö"ì ãì÷îï ñ"ã ãîééøé áäøáä ùøáéèéí ëãôéøù á÷åðèøñ ì÷îï ãàé ìà îééøé àìà áçã à"ë ìà àééøé îéãé áöéøåó ãìà àééøé àìà áùåîø àçã
Answer: It must be that the Gemara later originally thinks that the case is where there are a lot of peels, as Rashi explains later. If it would only be discussing one peel, it is not talking about combining anything at all, as it would only be discussing one Shomer.
TOSFOS DH HACHA NAMI
úåñôåú ã"ä äëà ðîé
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains what the novel teaching is in our case.)
åàí úàîø à"ë î"ì øé÷ðå åîä ìé ìà øé÷ðå ëéåï ã÷åìçà äåé éã ìéåúø îëæéú ãìîàé ãñ"ã îòé÷øà ðéçà ã÷îùîò ìï ãàó òì âá ãìéëà ëôåì äåé ùåîø
Question: If so, what is the difference whether or not it was emptied as a stalk is a Yad for more than a Kzayis? It would be understandable based on what we originally thought, as it would be teaching us that even though it is not the size of a bean it is considered a Shomer.
åéù ìåîø ã÷îùîò ìï ãàó òì âá ãìéëà ëæéú áî÷åí àçã àìà ëàï âøâéø åëàï âøâéø äåé ÷åìçà éã
Answer: It is teaching us that even though there is not a Kzayis in one place, but rather there is one seed here and one seed there, the stalk is still considered a Yad (for all of them together).
119b----------------------------------------119b
TOSFOS DH SHOMER
úåñôåú ã"ä ùåîø
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains the meaning of a Shomer that was divided.)
ìà ùçì÷å ìâîøé ãà"ë ôùéèà ãìà îöèøó ëãôøéùéú ìòéì åìäëé ð÷è ðîé ãå÷à çì÷å àáì ùðé àâåæéí ùäï ùðé àåëìéí ùìîéí ôùéèà ãìà îöèøôéï
Explanation: The case is not where it was divided completely, as if so it is obvious that they do not combine, as I explained earlier. This is why it says specifically that it was divided (not separated). However, two nuts that are considered two whole (separate) foods clearly cannot combine.
àìà îééøé ëâåï ùéù ëàï áùø åòìéå òåø åçì÷å ìòåø åäéä çöéå îöã æä åçöéå îöã æä
Explanation (cont.): Rather, the case is where there is meat with skin on it, and the skin was divided so that half of the skin is on one side of the piece of meat and half is on the other side.
åîééúé øàéä îø' àìòæø áï òæøéä ãîèîà áùì ÷èðéú îùåí ãëì äùåîøéí ùáùøáéè îöèøôéï àò"â ãëì çã ìà îâéï àìà àãéãéä
Explanation (cont.): He brings proof from Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah who says that it is impure regarding legumes, because all of the Shomrim in the stalk combine, even though each Shomer is only protecting its own seed.
åà"ú åàîàé ìà îùðé ãàéï äùåîøéï îöèøôéï åîééøé ëâåï ùéù áéï ëì äâøâøéï ëáéöä áìà ùåîøéï åäùåîøéï îëðéñéï åîåöéàéï åàéï îöèøôéï åàîàé îùðé ìéä á÷åìçà åîùåí éã
Question: Why don't we answer that the Shomrim do not combine, and the case is where there was a k'Beitzah of seeds without taking the Shomrim into account? The Shomrim would bring (to) and give (from) impurity but not combine to form a k'Beitzah. Why does the Gemara answer instead that the case is regarding a stalk and due to Yad?
åé"ì ãáìàå äëé ðéçà ìéä èôé ìàå÷åîé á÷åìçà åîùåí éã åîòé÷øà ìà äåä îå÷é ìä îùåí ùåîø àìà îùåí ãáîùîéùï äåä îùîò ìéä îùåí ùåîø àáì äùúà ãîôøù îàé áîùîéùï áúùîéùï ðéçà ìéä èôé ìàå÷åîà á÷åìçà
Answer: It is still better to say it is regarding a stalk and due to Yad. The Gemara originally said it was due to Shomer because when it said "b'Mashmishan -- when he feels them" it implied Shomer. However, not that the Gemara explains that b'Mashmishan means he uses it, it is better to say it is referring to the stalk (he uses the stalk to carry the seeds).
TOSFOS DH B'CHITI
úåñôåú ã"ä áçèé
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains that the lentils in the time of Rebbi Shimon ben Shetach were also huge.)
åòãùéí ðîé ëòãùéí ãø' ùîòåï áï ùèç ùäéå ëãéðøé æäá åòí ùåîøéäí éù áäí ëáéöä
Explanation: The lentils were also like the lentils of Rebbi Shimon ben Shetach. They were the size of golden Dinarim, and together with their Shomrim they were the size of a k'Beitzah.
TOSFOS DH LO
úåñôåú ã"ä ìà
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains the opinion of Reish Lakish and Rebbi Yochanan regarding hair being a Shomer or Yad.)
åà"ú àîàé ÷àîø ø"ù ìòéì àáì ðéîà ìà äåé éã îèòí ùåîø îéäà ìéèîà
Question: Why did Rebbi Shimon (ben Lakish) say earlier that a hair is not a Yad (and therefore it is not impure)? It should be impure because it is a Shomer!
åé"ì ãìòéì îééøé áðåâò áðéîà ùìà ëðâã äáùø åëï ôéøù á÷åðèøñ
Answer: The Gemara earlier is referring to a person who touches a hair that is not opposite the flesh. This is also Rashi's understanding of that Gemara.
åà"ú åøáé éåçðï ãîå÷é ìä îùåí éã àîàé ð÷è åáùòø ùëðâãå
Question: According to Rebbi Yochanan who says that it is a Yad, why does it say, "the hair opposite it?"
åö"ì ãëùëðâãå ìàå ãå÷à ëãôéøù á÷åðèøñ
Answer: It must be that it does not specifically mean opposite, as explained by Rashi.
TOSFOS DH IKA
úåñôåú ã"ä àéëà
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why the Gemara did not make an alternate statement.)
ä"ð äåä îöé ìîéîø ìà ùðå àìà ÷øðéí åèìôéí ùäï òöîï îùåí ùåîø
Implied Question: The Gemara could have said, "We only learned this regarding horns and hooves, as they themselves are due to Shomer." (Why didn't it say this?)
àìà àééãé ãð÷è ìòéì ìà ùðå àìà òöí ð÷è ðîé äëà òöí
Answer: Rather, because the Gemara earlier said, "we only learned this regarding bone" it said this here as well.