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Kinim 24
***** PEREK BAMEH DEVARIM AMURIM ****
1) IF THE KOHEN DID NOT ASK
(a) (Mishnah 1): These laws [of the first Perek] are if the
Kohen asked what to do -- but if Rachel and Leah both
gave one Chovah, or each gave two, or three [or any other
number]:
1. If he offered all of them above [like Olas ha'Of],
half of them are valid (the Olos);
2. If he offered all below [like Chatas ha'Of], half
are valid;
3. If he offered half of them above and half below, [at
least] half of the birds offered above are valid,
[up to] half are Pesulim. (A bird of Leah is Pasul
only if all her Olos, half the number of her birds,
were already offered b'Kashrus -- therefore, at
least half are valid. If all of her birds are
offered above, exactly half will be Pesulim.)
4. The same applies to those offered below (at least
half are valid Chata'os, up to half are Pesulim).
(b) (Mishnah #2): If one woman gave one Ken, another gave
two, another gave three, another gave ten, and another
gave 100, and all were offered above, half of them are
valid;
1. If all were offered below, half are valid;
(c) If he offered half (116 birds) above and half below:
1. Of those offered above, [at least] the number of the
most Kinim given by one woman (100) are valid Olos.
(If at least 100 of the 116 birds were hers, 100 are
valid Olos; if at most 100 birds were hers, all of
hers are valid, the only Pesulim are from other
women, at most half the total number of their birds,
i.e. 16, so at least 100 are valid.)
2. Likewise, at least this number (100) offered below
are valid Chata'os.
(d) The general rule [when half were offered above and half
below]:
1. If it is possible that no woman had birds offered
both above and below, [at least] half [of those
offered above] are valid [and similarly for those
offered below];
2. If perforce some woman had birds offered both above
and below, the number of valid Chata'os is [at
least] the greatest number of Chovos of any woman
(and similarly regarding Olos).
(e) (If over half the birds belong to one woman, we learn
this from the reasoning above (c:1) -- for a simple
algebraic proof, let x be the number of her Kinim, and y
be the total number of Kinim....) Sometimes, even though
no woman owns more than half, some woman must have birds
offered both above and below, i.e. it is impossible that
all the birds offered above comprise all the birds of
some [subset of the] women, i.e. there is no group of
women who [collectively] own exactly half the total
number of Kinim. (E.g. if the total number of Kinim is
odd, or if the numbers of Kinim are 4, 4, 4 or 5, 6, 7,
no group of women own exactly half.) In such a case, the
Mishnah is Machshir the greatest number of any woman --
this is true, but it is an understatement -- really,
*more* than half are valid. If we consider the smallest
number of Kinim owned by a group of women which is at
least half the total number, precisely this number of
Chata'os (the same applies to Olos) are guaranteed to be
valid, just as if all of these birds would belong to one
woman.)
(f) (Mishnah 3): If Rachel gave a Chatas to the Kohen and
Leah gave an Olah:
1. If he offered both of them above, one (the Olah) is
valid (presumably, it is called "half" for parallel
structure with the other Mishnayos);
2. If he offered both of them below, one (the Chatas)
is valid;
3. If he offered one above and one below, both are
[Safek] Pesulim -- perhaps the Olah was offered
below and the Chatas above.
(g) (Mishnah 4) (according to Rashi Zevachim 67b): If Rachel
and Leah [together] bought a Chatas for Rachel, an Olah
for Leah, a Ken Stumah and a Ken Mefureshes (each woman
also had to bring a Ken Chovah; they specified the Chatas
and Olah of the Mefureshes, but not whose they will be).
1. If all the birds were offered above, or all below,
half are valid;
2. If half were offered above and half below, all are
Pesulim except for the Stumah (perhaps every
specified bird was offered incorrectly), they
"share" the valid birds. (One bird counts for each
woman, they jointly bring another Ken and stipulate
that the Chatas/Olah is for the woman who fulfilled
her Olah/Chatas through the Stumah; also, Rachel
brings her Chatas and Leah brings her Olah.)
(h) (Mishnah 5): If Chata'os became mixed with Chovos, we can
offer Chata'os like the number of Chovos (but no more,
lest all will be from the Chovos).
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(i) If there were twice as many Chovos birds as Chata'os,
(e.g. two Kinim Stumos (four birds) and two Chata'os, and
the Kohen offered half of them above and half below),
half are valid. (In the worst case, all the "fixed"
Chata'os were offered above and are Pesulim -- in our
example, the third bird offered above is a valid Olah,
two birds offered below are valid Chata'os, the third is
Pasul, for there are only two Chata'os in the Chovos. In
general, whenever there are twice as many Chovos birds as
Chata'os, [in the worst case] all the fixed Chata'os (a
third of all the birds) and half the number of Olos in
the Chovos (a sixth of all the birds) are Pesulim, half
the birds in all.)
(j) If there were twice as many Chata'os as Chovos birds
(e.g. one Ken Stumah and four Chata'os, and the Kohen
offered half above and half below), the number of Chovos
are valid. (In the worst case, all the birds offered
above were fixed Chata'os and are Pesulim, the only valid
ones are the remaining fixed Chata'os offered below, and
the Chata'os in the Chovos -- in our example, one fixed
Chatas and one Chatas Chovah, two in all. In general,
whenever there are twice as many Chata'os as Chovos [in
the worst case], the only valid ones are the fixed
Chata'os offered below, and the Chata'os in the Chovos,
in all this equals the total number of birds in the
Chovos.)
2) A "NEDAVAH" AND A "CHOVAH"
(a) (Mishnah 6) (according to Ra'avad): If a woman said "I
will bring a Ken when I have a son," when she has a son
[if she is poor] she brings two Kinim, one for her vow
and one for the birth;
(b) She gives four birds to the Kohen, he must offer three
above (Olos) and one below (Chatas).
(c) If the Kohen did not ask (he assumed that both were
Chovos) and offered two above and two below, [one Olah
was Pasul and] she must bring another bird above;
(d) This is if all the birds were the same (all Torim or all
Benei Yonah) -- if she brought two of each (and we do not
know which two were offered below), she must bring
(above) another Tor (perhaps both below were Torim --
since the Chatas was a Tor she must bring a Tor for the
Olas Chovah (Mishnah 2:5)); *and* a Ben Yonah (perhaps
both below were Benei Yonah).
(e) If (when she vowed) she picked two birds for her vow (and
remembers what species they were):
(f) If she brought four birds of one species, she must bring
three more birds of that species (two above and one below
-- perhaps both Chovah birds were offered above, and the
Nedavos below, only the Olas Chovah was valid);
1. If she brought two Torim and two Benei Yonah, she
brings four more birds, (e.g. if the Torim were
Nedavos, perhaps both were offered below, she must
bring another) two Torim for Olos, one Ben Yonah
above and one below. (If both were offered above,
the Chatas was invalid; if both were offered below,
the Olah was invalid -- both birds of the Chovah
must be brought from the same species. The Ra'avad
is unsure whether or not l'Chatchilah she must bring
Olos like she originally selected, or if the Mishnah
discusses one who *wants* to do so.)
(g) If she vowed to bring a particular species [but does not
remember which], and told the Kohen which birds are for
her vow:
1. If she brought four birds of one species (let us
say, Torim), she must bring five *new* (i.e.
additional) birds;
2. (Perhaps her Nedavos were offered below, so she must
bring two more above of each species in order to
fulfill her vow, and a Tor Chatas, lest the Chovah
was brought above and the Chatas was Pasul. She need
not bring an Olas Chovah -- if the Chovah was
brought above, she already fulfilled it; if the
Nedavos were brought above, the two new Tor Olos are
not needed for her vow (even if her vow was Torim,
she already fulfilled it), she stipulates that if
this is the case, one of them is for her Chovah.)
3. If she brought two of each species, she must bring
six new birds.
4. (She brings four for her vow, as above, and a Chatas
of each species -- perhaps the Olas Chovah was
valid, she must bring a matching Chatas. She need
not bring extra Olos for the sake of her Chovah (to
match the Chatas) -- if the Chatas was valid, this
means that the Chovah was brought below, so her vow
was brought above and was valid, so all four new
Olos are Nedavah, she stipulates that that if this
is the case, one of them is for her Chovah.)
(e) (From here, we explain like Ba'al ha'Me'or (Razah).) If
she also forgot which birds she offered, she must bring
four Olos Nedavah (two of each species, to fulfill her
vow), two Olos Chovah (one of each species -- perhaps her
Chatas was valid, she must bring a matching Olah), and a
Chatas (of either species -- this Tana holds that if Olas
Chovah was brought before the Chatas; the Chatas need not
be from that species, as long as she brought or brings an
Olas Chovah matching the Chatas);
(f) Ben Azai says, [in addition to the six Olos mentioned
above] she must bring two Chata'os. (He holds that
whichever Chovah is offered first -- even Olah --
determines the other; perhaps the first Chovah was Tor
Olah; or perhaps Ben Yonah Olah, therefore she brings a
Chatas of each species.)
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