1) TOSFOS DH Efshar Lishnosan l'Zevach Acher (cont.)
úåñôåú ã"ä àôùø ìùðåúï ìæáç àçø (äîùê)
äà ìàå äëé ìà ÷øáé ãîù÷ãùå áëìé äå÷áòå àôé' ÷åãí ùçéèä
(a) Inference: If not, it may not be offered, for from when it was Hukdash in a Kli, it was fixed, even before Shechitah.
åäà ã÷øáé òí äæáç àçø äæáåç áàåúä ùòä
(b) Implied question: Why may it be offered with another Zevach that was slaughtered at the time?
äééðå îùåí ãìá á''ã îúðä ëãîôøù äúí
(c) Answer: It is because Lev Beis Din stipulates, like it explains there.
åìôé îä ùñåáø äùúà ìéú ìéä [ö"ì äà - öàï ÷ãùéí] ãàîøéðï äëà ìø''î ãùçéèä ÷åáòú åìà ëìé ÷åáòú
(d) Consequence: According to what we are thinking now, he argues with this that we say here that according to R. Meir, Shechitah fixes, and a Kli does not fix.
òåã éù ìôøù ääéà äúí ãäúåãä àôé' ëøáðï ãëé ôìéâé øáé îàéø åøáðï áùçéèú ôéâåì ãáôâåì îééøé áøéùà å÷àé àîúðéúéï ãäæáç îôâì àú äðñëéí
(e) Answer #2 (to Question (b), 15b): The Sugya below (79a) is even like Rabanan. R. Meir and Rabanan argue about Shechitas Pigul, for the Reisha discusses Pigul, and it refers to the Mishnah "the Zevach is Mefagel the Nesachim";
å÷ñáø øáé îàéø ãäå÷áòå áùçéèú ôéâåì ëìçîé úåãä ãúðï áô' äúåãä (ì÷îï ã' òç:) ùçè çåõ ìæîðå åçåõ ìî÷åîå ÷ãù äìçí
1. R. Meir holds that [the Nesachim] are fixed through Shechitas Pigul, like Lachmei Todah, for a Mishnah says that if he slaughtered Chutz li'Zmano or Chutz li'Mkomo, the bread is Kadosh;
àáì ùçéèä ëùøä ÷åáòú àôé' ìøáðï
i. However, a Kosher Shechitah fixes even according to Rabanan.
åìæòéøé ãàîø ðñëéí îú÷ãùéí áùçéèä äééðå ìîø ëãàéú ìéä åìîø ëãàéú ìéä
2. And according to Ze'iri, who said that Nesachim become Mekudash through Shechitah, this is for each [Tana] according to his opinion.
åôøéê îîúðé' ãæáç ôñåì ãàìîà ùçéèä ôñåìä î÷ãùà å÷ùéà ìøáðï
(f) Answer #2 (cont.): [The Gemara] asks from the Mishnah, that the Zevach is Pasul. This shows that a Pasul Shechitah is Mekadesh. This is difficult according to Rabanan;
åàôé' øáé îàéø ìà àîø àìà áôéâåì (áîúðåú åìà áùàø) [ö"ì åîúðé' àôéìå áùàø] ôñåìé ùçéèä
1. And even R. Meir said only about Pigul, and our Mishnah discusses other Pesulim of Shechitah.
åãåå÷à ãàéëà æáç àçø îùåí úðàé á''ã äà ìéëà æáç àçø ìà
2. And only when there is another Zevach (the Nesachim can be used for it), due to Tenai Beis Din, but if there is no other Zevach, no.
åîéäå ÷ùä ìôéøåù æä ãà''ë îùëçú ìøáðï ãðñëé áäîä çééáéï òìéäí îùåí ôéâåì ùðòùéú äùçéèä áäëùø åôéâì áùàø òáåãåú:
(g) Question: Answer #2 is difficult, for if so, according to Rabanan we find that one is liable for Nesachim of an animal due to Pigul - the Shechitah was done properly, and he was Mefagel in other Avodos! (Here it connotes that Rabanan hold that one cannot be liable for Pigul, since it could be used for another Korban.)
2) TOSFOS DH Hukve'u bi'Shechitah (pertains to Daf 15b)
úåñôåú ã"ä äå÷áòå ùçéèä (ùééê ìãó èå:)
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains that this is like Rebbi.)
(ëøáé) [ö"ì ìøáé - ùéèä î÷åáöú] ãàîø ùðé ãáøéí äîúéøéí îòìéï æä áìà æä [ö"ì ðéçà ãñâé áùçéèä - ùéèä î÷åáöú]
(a) Explanation: According to Rebbi, who says that two matters that permit, we offer one without the other, this is fine, for Shechitah suffices;
åìø' àìòæø áø' ùîòåï ãàîø àéï îòìéï äåä ìéä ìîéð÷è ùçéèä åæøé÷ä àå ùðú÷áì äãí áëåñ åðùôê åëàáåä ãàîø ëì äòåîã ìæøå÷ ëæøå÷ ãîé ëã÷àîøéðï áôø÷ äúåãä (ì÷îï ãó òè:)
1. And according to R. Elazar b'Ribi Shimon, who says that we do not offer, he should have mentioned Shechitah and Zerikah, or the blood was received in a cup and it spilled, and like his father, who said that anything destined to be thrown, it is as if it was thrown, like we say below (79b);
åôìåâúééäå áô' äúëìú (ì÷îï ãó îæ.) åáñåó ø' éùîòàì ì÷îï (ãó òá:)
2. [Rebbi and R. Elazar b'Ribi Shimon] argue below (47a, 72b).
3) TOSFOS DH Chada d'Hainu Kamaisa
úåñôåú ã"ä çãà ãäééðå ÷îééúà
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why this is just like the Reisha.)
ôé' ãðúï àú ä÷åîõ áùúé÷ä ëå' ìëê ùååú æä ëæä
(a) Explanation: He put the Kometz without [Pasul] intent. Therefore they are equivalent.
åáô' áéú ùîàé (æáçéí îá:) îáéà áøééúà æå àéôëà ã÷úðé áøéùà ðúï àú ä÷åîõ áîçùáä
(b) Observation: In Zevachim (42b) it brings this Beraisa oppositely. It teaches in the Reisha "he put the Kometz with intent."
4) TOSFOS DH Bein b'Rishonah Bein b'Sheniyah Bein b'Shelishis
úåñôåú ã"ä áéï áøàùåðä áéï áùðéä áéï áùìéùéú
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains that these refer to three sets of Matanos.)
øàùåðä ëì äæàåú ãáéï äáãéí ùðéä ãôøåëú ùìéùéú ãîæáç äæäá ëê ôé' á÷åðèøñ
(a) Explanation (Rashi): "Rishonah" refers to all the Haza'os of Bein ha'Badim (between the staves of the Aron). "Sheniyah" is [Haza'ah towards] the Paroches, and "Shelishis" is on the gold Mizbe'ach.
åëï îåëç áñîåê (ëì) [ö"ì ãëì äæàåú - öàï ÷ãùéí] ãáéï äáãéí çùéá çãà ã÷àîø [ö"ì ëéåï - ùéèä î÷åáöú] ãçùéá áôðéí ôåñì ëé îãé áäéëì îéà áòìîà ÷à îãé
(b) Support: It is proven like this below, that all Haza'os of Bein ha'Badim are considered one, for it says that when he had [improper] intent inside, it is Pasul. When he sprinkles in the Heichal, he sprinkles mere water (without Kedushah);
åáçöé äæàåú ãôðéí ÷à îåãé ø' îàéø ãìà äåé ôéâåì îéãé ãäåä çöé ÷åîõ ãìà äåé ôéâåì ëãàîø áñåó ô' ùðé ãæáçéí (ãó ì.) ãáòéðï ÷åîõ ùìí
1. R. Meir agrees that [intent in] half the Haza'os inside is not Pigul, just like half a Kometz, which is not Pigul, like it says in Zevachim (30a) that we require a full Kometz;
ã÷àîø äøé ÷îéöä ãëé ìçöåú ãîé åôìéâé
i. It says "behold Kemitzah - this is like "l'Chatzos", and [R. Meir and R. Yehudah] argue! (I.e. there cannot be one intent after the other in Kemitzah. This shows that intent for half a Kometz does not take effect.)
åö''ò áääéà ãì÷îï ãä÷èéø ùåîùåí ìàëåì ùåîùåí òã ùëìä ä÷åîõ
(c) Question: One must investigate the case below (16b) of Haktarah piecemeal in order to eat piecemeal, until the Kometz is finished. (One opinion holds that intent for part of a Kometz takes effect according to all Tana'im!)
5) TOSFOS DH ka'Tani Miha Pigel b'Rishon v'Chulei u'Pligi
úåñôåú ã"ä ÷úðé îéäà ôéâì áøàùåï åëå' åôìéâé
(SUMMARY: Tosfos points out another answer that he could have given.)
äåé îöé ìùðåéé ùôé' áäãéà ùàéðå òåùä òì ãòú øàùåðä
(a) Observation: We could have answered that he explicitly specified that he does not do according to his first intent.
6) TOSFOS DH Kegon she'Pigel b'Rishonah uv'Sheniyah uv'Shelishis
úåñôåú ã"ä ëâåï ùôéâì áøàùåðä åáùðéä åáùìéùéú
(SUMMARY: Tosfos discusses what are the sets of Matanos.)
áô' á''ù (æáçéí ãó îá. åùí) ôé' á÷åðèøñ åáøáéòéú ìà ôéâì
(a) Explanation #1 (Rashi in Zevachim 42a): He was not Mefagel in the fourth.
å÷ùä ãøáéòéú îàï ãëø ùîä
(b) Objection: Who mentioned the fourth?!
åáëàï ôéøù á÷åðèøñ ùôéâì áøàùåðä åáùðéä åùú÷ áùìéùéú
(c) Explanation #2 (Rashi here): He was Mefagel in the first and second, and did the third silently (without intent).
åàí úàîø à''ë ÷ùéà îéãé ùú÷ ÷úðé ëãà÷ùéðï ìòéì
(d) Question: If so, it is difficult - did it teach "silently"?!, like we asked above!
åùîà ìòéì ãùú÷ áàîöòéú äåä ìéä ìôøåùé èôé ëéåï ãøàùåðä åùìéùéú áîçùáä åùðéä áùúé÷ä
(e) Answer: Perhaps above, that he was silent in the middle, it should have explained more, since the first and third were with intent, and the second was silently.
åìäàé ôé' çùéá ëì äæàåú ãîæáç äæäá áàçú ùáò ãèéäøå åã' ã÷øðåú
(f) Observation: According to this Perush, all Haza'os of the gold Mizbe'ach are considered one - the seven on Tiharo (the top or middle) and the four of the Keranos.
åëï îùîò áôø÷ äåöéàå ìå (éåîà ãó ñà.) ãúðéà åëôø àú ä÷ãù æä ìôðé åìôðéí åàú àäì îåòã æä äéëì åàú äîæáç ëîùîòå îùîò ãçùéá îæáç ëôøä àçú
(g) Support #1: It connotes like this in Yoma (61a). A Beraisa teaches "v'Chiper Es ha'Kodesh" is [Haza'os] inside [the Kodesh ha'Kodoshim]. "V'Es Ohel Mo'ed" is the Heichal. "V'Es ha'Mizbe'ach" is like its simple meaning. This connotes that the Mizbe'ach is considered one Kaparah.
òåã ÷àîø äúí îëàï àîøå ëå' òã âîø îúðåú ùáäéëì åðùôê äãí éáéà àçø åéúçéì áîúðåú äîæáç ðúï î÷öú îúðåú äîæáç åðùôê äãí éáéà àçø åéúçéì áúçéìä
(h) Support #2: It says there "from here they said..." until "if he finished the Matanos in the Heichal and the blood spilled, he brings another [animal] and begins with the Matanos on the Mizbe'ach. If he put some Matanos on the Mizbe'ach and the blood spilled, he brings another, and starts from the beginning;
àáì ìà ÷úðé âîø ã' ÷øðåú åðùôê äãí éáéà àçø åéúçéì áèäøå [ö"ì îùîò - öàï ÷ãùéí] ãëåìäå çùéáé ëàçú
1. However, it does not teach that if he finished four Keranos and the blood spilled, he brings another and begins on Tiharo. This connotes that all are considered like one.
å÷ùä ãì÷îï ÷àîø (â''ë) îùëçú ìä áã' ôøéí åã' ùòéøéí ôéøåù çã àäæàåú ãáéï äáãéí åçã àäæàåú ãôøåëú åçã àäæàåú ã÷øðåú åçã àèéäøå
(i) Question: Below (16b), it says that we find this with four bulls and four goats. (The blood spilled after finishing each set of Matanos.) I.e. one is for the Haza'os of Bein ha'Badim, one is for the Haza'os of the Paroches, one is for the Haza'os of the Keranos, and one is for Tiharo;
àìîà ìà çùéáé ëçã äæàåú ã÷øðåú åãèéäøå
1. Inference: They are not considered one, the Haza'os of the Keranos and Tiharo!
åùîà ñáéøà ìéä ùéøééí îòëáéï äåé çã áùáéì ùéøééí
(j) Answer: Perhaps he holds that Shirayim are Me'akev, and one [bull and goat] are for the Shirayim.
åìôé æä ðåëì ìâøåñ ëàï ùôéâì áøàùåðä åáùðéä åùìéùéú åëï ëúåá áñôø øáéðå âøùí (åáôø÷) [ö"ì áôø÷ - áàøåú äîéí] áéú ùîàé (æáçéí ãó îá.)
(k) Consequence: According to this, the text can say "here he was Mefagel in the first, second and third", and so it says in R. Gershom's Sefer in Zevachim (42a);
åçùéá çöé îúéø îùåí ãàéëà òãééï ùéøééí ãîòëáé
1. It is considered half a Matir (without the Shirayim) because there are still the Shirayim, which are Me'akev.
åàí úàîø äà áòì ëøçéä äàé úðà ñáø ùéøééí ìà îòëáé îãìà çùéá àìà î''â ãääåà ãñáø ùéøééí îòëáé çùéá çãà èôé ëãîåëç áñîåê
(l) Question: You are forced to say that this Tana holds that Shirayim are not Me'akev, since he counts only 43. The one who holds that Shirayim are Me'akev counts one more, like is proven below!
åéù ìåîø ãàó òì âá ãùéøééí îòëáé ìà çùéá äàé úðà àìà äæàåú:
(m) Answer: Even though [he holds that] Shirayim are Me'akev, this Tana counts only Haza'os.
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7) TOSFOS DH Ki Madi b'Heichal Maya b'Alma Ka Madi
úåñôåú ã"ä ëé îãé áäéëì îéà áòìîà ÷à îãé
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why we do not say so elsewhere.)
ä÷ùä á÷åðèøñ (á÷åîõ åùåçè) [ö"ì á÷áìä åùçéèä - öàï ÷ãùéí] ðîé ðéîà ãìà îéôâì ãëé çùéá [ö"ì áùçéèä àå - öàï ÷ãùéí] á÷áìä àéôñéì åëé æø÷ îéà æøé÷
(a) Question (Rashi): Also one who does Kabalah or Shechitah, we should say that it does not become Pigul, for when he has intent in Shechitah or Kabalah, it is disqualified, and when he throws, [it is as if] he throws water!
åúéøõ áô' áéú ùîàé (æáçéí ãó îá: åùí) ãäúí âæéøú äëúåá äåà
(b) Answer #1 (Rashi in Zevachim 42b): There, it is a Gezeiras ha'Kasuv (that it is Pigul).
àáì ëàï úéøõ ãäúí àåúä òáåãä ùôéâì áä ðòùéú ëåìä á÷ãåùä àáì äðê äæàåú ëåìäå çãà òáåãä åìà ÷øáå ëì îúéøé àåúä òáåãä á÷ãåùúä
(c) Answer #2 (Rashi here): That Avodah in which he was Mefagel was done totally in Kedushah, but all the other Haza'os are one Avodah, and all the Matirim of that Avodah were not done in Kedushah.
å÷ùä ãàí ëï ôéâì á÷åîõ åìà áìáåðä ìø''î àîàé äåé ôéâåì áçöé îúéø äà çã òáåãä ìà ðòùéú á÷ãåùúä
(d) Question: If so, if one was Mefagel in the Kometz but not in the Levonah, according to R. Meir, why is it Pigul through half a Matir? One Avodah was not done in its Kedushah!
åëé î÷èéø ììáåðä òôøà áòìîà î÷èøé
1. When he is Maktir the Levonah, he burns mere earth!
åëé úéîà îùåí ãäåå á' îéðéï
2. Suggestion: It is because they are two species.
àëúé ÷ùä îùðé áæéëéï àí ìà ðçì÷ ãëéåï ãáòå ùðé ëìéí äåå ëùðé îéðéï
3. Rejection: Still, it is difficult from two Bazichin, unless we will distinguish that because they need two Kelim, they are like two species.
åø''ú îôøù ãáçã î÷åí ôùéèà ìéä ãìà àîøé' îéà áòìîà äåà ã÷à îãé (úçéìú òáåãä ëâîø òáåãä åäëà) [ö"ì ãúçéìú òáåãä ëâîø òáåãä åäëé - ùéèä î÷åáöú] âæéøú äëúåá
(e) Answer #3 (R. Tam): In one place, obviously we do not say that he sprinkles mere water, for initial Avodah is like final Avodah. This is a Gezeiras ha'Kasuv;
àáì áùðé î÷åîåú áäëé ìà àééøé ÷øà åîéà áòìîà ÷à îãé
1. However, the verse does not discuss in two places. He merely sprinkles water.
8) TOSFOS DH Mishkachas Lah b'Dalet Parim
úåñôåú ã"ä îùëçú ìä áã' ôøéí
(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains how the bulls enable Pigul.)
ôé' á÷åðèøñ ôø åùòéø ôðéí åçéùá òìéå åðùôê äãí ìàçø äæàåú ôðéí:
(a) Explanation (Rashi): The bull or inner goat, he intended for it [Chutz li'Zmano] and the blood spilled after the Haza'os inside.