(Mishnah): The second lottery - who slaughters, who does Zerikah, who does Dishun of the inner Mizbe'ach, Dishun of the Menorah, bringing limbs [of the morning Tamid] to the ramp;

[The limbs are brought as follows -] the head and the [right hind] leg, the two forelegs, the rump and the [left] hind leg, the chest and the neck, the two flanks, the innards, the Soles (Minchah), the Chavitim and the wine; 13 Kohanim merit in it.

Ben Azai (to R. Akiva, citing R. Yehoshua): The order in which it walks, so [its limbs] were offered.

(Gemara) Question: What is the source for Dishun of the inner Mizbe'ach?

Answer #1 (R. Pedas citing R. Lazar): [It says about Olas ha'Of] "v'Hishlich Osah Etzel ha'Mizbe'ach Kedmah El Mekom ha'Deshen'' - [El Mekom ha'Deshen] is not needed. If it is to fix a place, it already says Etzel ha'Mizbe'ach! If it is to teach that it is to the east of the ramp, it already says Kedmah! (Rather, it teaches about Dishun of the inner Mizbe'ach.)

Remark: He learns also [where to put Terumas ha'Deshen of the outer Mizbe'ach] from [a Gezeirah Shavah Etzel ha'Mizbe'ach-] Etzel ha'Mizbe'ach - just like here [Olas ha'Of] is to the east of the ramp, also here [Terumas ha'Deshen] is to the east of the ramp (PNEI MOSHE).

Question: What is the source that [Dishun of the inner Mizbe'ach] is Asur b'Hana'ah?

Answer (R. La citing R. Lazar): "El Mekom Tahor'' - the place must be Tahor (he will not use there).

Answer #2 (R. Ze'irah): R. Lazar did not say so! Rather, what is the source that Dishun of the outer Mizbe'ach is Asur b'Hana'ah? It says "El Mekom ha'Deshen'' - that will be its place forever.

What is the source for Dishun of the inner Mizbe'ach? It says "v'Hizah Alav'', "v'Hiktir [Alav]'' - just like Haza'ah is on [the Mizbe'ach] itself, also Haza'ah is on [the Mizbe'ach] itself (and not on coals or ashes. This shows that we must remove them!)

Question: What is the source that [Dishun of] the inner Mizbe'ach is Asur b'Hana'ah?

Answer: We learn from a Kal v'Chomer. [Dishun of] the outer Mizbe'ach is Asur b'Hana'ah. All the more so [Dishun of] the inner Mizbe'ach is! (It is more stringent, for it is only for Ketores - PNEI MOSHE.)

(R. Ze'irah citing R. Chaninah): If Ketores extinguished [after it caught fire], it is as if it was blemished (we do not return it to the Mizbe'ach), and even one grain. [An expression of] Achilah [which teaches that we return what was partially consumed] is written only regarding the outer Mizbe'ach.

If a wick extinguished, it must be removed.

Question: Must one remove it immediately?

Answer (Talmidim of R. Chiyah bar Lulaini): If you will say so, he must look [constantly to see if a Ner extinguished]!

Question: Does oil require Dishun (must it be removed when doing Dishun of the Menorah)?

Answer: R. Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak's words show that oil requires Dishun;

Question (R. Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak): If so, (if a Ner extinguished, also the oil must be removed) why [do we put the same Shi'ur] in winter of a half-Log for each Ner, and the same in summer, a half-Log for each Ner? (Summer nights are shorter. We waste oil, for even if we extinguish Neros still burning in the morning, we cannot leave the oil for the next night! - RIDVAZ)

Answer (R. Yosah): There is no proof from there at all (that there is no need to do Dishun of oil). A Mishnah teaches that Ben Bavi was appointed over the wicks. He used to make wicks proper [for the season, i.e. thick in summer and thin in winter, so the Neros would finish burning when morning came].

Question: Here you say that one fixes [the Neros] and afterwards one is Maktir [Ketores. Hatavah is in the second lottery, and Haktarah is in the third.] There (above, Mishnah 1:2) it says that [during the seven days, the Kohen Gadol is] Maktir and then Metiv!

Answer (R. Yochanan): [Our Mishnah, which is from Maseches] Tamid, R. Shimon Ish ha'Mitzpah taught it. (He argues with the Tana of the first Perek.)

(R. Yakov bar Acha): Not all [of Maseches Tamid is like R. Shimon Ish ha'Mitzpah and unlike Chachamim], only what Rabanan need [to establish like him to avoid a contradiction].

(R. Chizkiyah citing R. Acha citing R. Avahu): [A Stam Mishnah in Maseches] Midos is like R. Eliezer ben Yakov.

(R. Yosi bei R. Bun): Not all [of Midos is like R. Eliezer ben Yakov], only what Rabanan need [to establish like him].

What is the reason of R. Shimon Ish ha'Mitzpah [to say that Hatavah is before Haktarah]? It says "ba'Boker ba'Boker b'Heitivo Es ha'Neros Yaktirenah.''

(R. Acha citing R. Chinena citing R. Shimon bar Rebbi): Rabanan's reason is "mi'Chutz la'Paroches ha'Edus b'Ohel Mo'ed Ya'aroch Oso Aharon u'Vanav me'Erev Ad Boker'' - Hatavas ha'Neros is the last Avodah [from evening until the next morning].