ZEVACHIM 72 (11 Tamuz) -ֲ in honor of the birthday of Yakira Linzer.
1)
(a)We learned in our Mishnah that if one Chatas ha'Meisah falls into many Kasher Korbanos, they must all die. What problem do we have with this ruling?
(b)How do we initially resolve it?
(c)Orlah and K'lai ha'Kerem normally become Bateil in two hundred. Then why does Rebbi Meir, in a Mishnah in Orlah, say that bundles of Tilsan (fenugreek - a kind of spice or legume) of K'lai ha'Kerem are not Bateil in two hundred?
(d)We query this however, from a Machokes between Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish in connection with a Mishnah in Orlah, which lists six fruits that are not subject to Bitul. What is the basic reason for that?
1)
(a)We learned in our Mishnah that if one Chatas ha'Meisah falls into many Kasher Korbanos, they must all die. The problem with this ruling is that - it contradicts the Pasuk "Acharei Rabim Lehatos" (from which we learn the principle Holchin achar ha'Rov (following the majority).
(b)Initially, we answer that - animals are considered Chashuv, and something that is Chashuv is not subject to Bitul (mi'de'Rabbanan).
(c)Orlah and K'lai ha'Kerem normally become Bateil in two hundred. Nevertheless, Rebbi Meir, in a Mishnah in Orlah, say that bundles of Tilsan (fenugreek - a kind of spice or legume) of K'lai ha'Kerem are not Bateil in two hundred - because whatever is sold by number, is not Bateil (as we will see shortly).
(d)We query this however, from a Machokes between Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish in connection with a Mishnah in Orlah, which lists six fruits that are not subject to Bitul - because they are Chashuv.
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2)
(a)According to the Chachamim, the six fruits that do not become Batel are nuts from Perech (possibly coconuts), pomegranates from Baden, sealed barrels of wine, young mangold (a type of beet)-shoots, a cabbage of Eretz Yisrael (which used to be as large as a tree) and a Greek gourd. Which food did Rebbi Akiva add to the list?
(b)To which of these does the Isur of ...
1. ... Orlah apply, but not K'lai ha'Kerem?
2. ... K'lai ha'Kerem apply, but not Orlah?
(c)Rebbi Meir learns 'es she'Darko Limanos', which is how Rebbi Yochanan interprets it. What is Resh Lakish's version?
(d)What are the ramifications of their Machlokes?
2)
(a)According to the Chachamim, the only six 'fruits' that do not become Batel are nuts from Perech (possibly coconuts), pomegranates from Baden, sealed barrels of wine, young mangold (a type of beet)-shoots, the cabbage of Eretz Yisrael (which used to be as large as a tree) and a Greek gourd, to which Rebbi Akiva added - privately-baked loaves.
(b)The Isur of ...
1. ... Orlah (but not K'lai ha'Kerem) - applies to the nuts, the pomegranates and the barrels of wine ...
2. ... K'lai ha'Kerem (but not Orlah) - to the mangold, the cabbage and the gourd.
(c)Rebbi Meir learns 'es she'Darko Limanos', which is how Rebbi Yochanan interprets it. Resh Lakish's version is - 'Kol she'Darko Limanos'.
(d)The ramifications of their Machlokes are - whether Rebbi Meir incorporates even species that are only sometimes sold by number but not always (Resh Lakish), or not (Rebbi Yochanan).
3)
(a)The initial answer to our Kashya (that we cited on the previous Amud) conforms to Resh Lakish's version of Rebbi Meir in the Mishnah in Orlah. Why does it not conform to Rebbi Yochanan's version?
(b)Rav Papa establishes our Mishnah according to the Tana of Litra Ketzi'os. What does Litra Ketzi'os mean?
(c)What does he hold?
(d)What does he mean when he adds Afilu bi'de'Rabbanan? Why is Litra Ketzi'os only mi'de'Rabbanan?
3)
(a)The initial answer to our Kashya (that we cited on the previous Amud) conforms to Resh Lakish's version of Rebbi Meir in the Mishnah in Orlah. It does not however, conform to Rebbi Yochanan's version - because animals are sometimes sold by the herd, and not by numbers.
(b)Rav Papa establishes our Mishnah like the Tana of Litra Ketzi'os - a Litra-measure of dried figs ...
(c)... who holds that - whatever is sold by number (even Kol she'Darko Limanos) is not subject to Bitul.
(d)He adds Afilu bi'de'Rabbanan, because the Terumah of all fruit (including Litra Ketzi'os), other than grapes and olives, is only mi'de'Rabbanan.
