TOSFOS DH Talmud Lomar Chukah Chukah li'Gezeirah Shavah
úåñôåú ã"ä úìîåã ìåîø çå÷ä çå÷ä ìâæéøä ùåä
(SUMMARY: Tosfos infers that this is unlike learning Ikuv from "Torah".)
îëàï àåîø ø''ú ãäà ãàîøéðï áîðçåú (ãó éè.) ëì î÷åí ùðàîø úåøä åçå÷ä àéðå àìà ìòëá ìàå çã èòîà ðéðäå
Inference: From here, R. Tam learned that what we say in Menachos (19a) that wherever it says "Torah" or "Chukah", it is Me'akev, they are not from one reason;
ãçå÷ä îâæéøä ùåä åúåøä îîùîòåú
[We learn from] Chukah through a Gezeirah Shavah, but the connotation of "Torah" (is that it is Me'akev).
TOSFOS DH Asya Chukah Chukah mi'Mechusar Begadim
úåñôåú ã"ä àúéà çå÷ä çå÷ä îîçåñø áâãéí
(SUMMARY: Tosfos discusses Pesulim that are considered like Zarim.)
áô' äðùøôéï (ñðäãøéï ãó ôã.) àîøéðï ãàåðï áàæäøä ãëúéá åîï äî÷ãù ìà éöà åìà éçìì äà àçø ùìà éöà çéìì
Reference: In Sanhedrin (84a) we say that an Onen has a Lav - "u'Min ha'Mikdash Lo Yetzei v'Lo Yechalel." This implies that someone else (not a Kohen Gadol) who did not leave (and did Avodah), disqualified it;
åìà éìôé' ùéäà áîéúä [áâ''ù] çéìåì çéìåì îúøåîä îùåí ãçéìåì áâåôéä ìà ëúéá îëììà [ãë''â] äåà ã÷àúé
We do not learn that he is Chayav Misah from a Gezeirah Shavah Chilul-Chilul from Terumah, because Chilul itself was not written about [Onen] itself, just it is inferred from a Kohen Gadol;
äåé ãáø äáà îï äëìì åëì ãáø äáà îï äëìì àéï ãðéï àåúå áâæéøä ùåä
This is something inferred, and anything inferred, we do not learn from it through a Gezeirah Shavah.
å÷ùä îäê ãùîòúéï ãäà àéï áâãéäí òìéäí àéï ëäåðúï òìéäï àéðå ëúéá áôé' åéìôéðï çå÷ä çå÷ä îîçåñøé áâãéí
Question #1: This is difficult from our Sugya. "When their Begadim are not on them, their Kehunah is not on them", is not written explicitly, and we learn "Chukah-Chukah" from Mechusar Begadim!
åëï áëì äðê ãëúéá åìà éçììå ããéé÷éðï äà òáã çéììå åéìôéðï îéúä çéìåì çéìåì îúøåîä
Question #2: Similarly for all those about which it is written "v'Lo Yechalelu", we infer (Sanhedrin 84a) that if he served, he disqualified, and we learn Misah through "Chilul-Chilul" from Terumah!
åáúåøí îï äøòä òì äéôä ãìà éìôéðï ãìäåé áîéúä áâæéøä ùåä ãçèà çèà
Implied question: If one separates bad [Peros to be Terumah] to exempt good, we do not learn that there is Misah through the Gezeirah Shavah "Chet-Chet"!
úéøõ ä''ø éò÷á îàåøìéð''ù îùåí ãäåé ãáø äáà îï äëìì
Answer (Ri of Orlins): This is because it is inferred.
[åöøéê ìçì÷ àîàé äåé ãáø ùáëìì] èôé îäðé
Summation of questions: We must distinguish why [Onen] is [considered] something inferred more than these (Mechusar Begadim and those in Sanhedrin. Kodshei David answers that the verse of Onen does not discuss a Kohen Hedyot at all. Shalmei Todah says that Tosfos asks that the Ri of Orlins cannot distinguish like this. I.e. even though the verse discusses one who separates Terumah, it is called inferred; Kodshei David holds that since it does not discuss one who separates bad Peros, it is inferred - PF.)
åúéîä ìé ãáô' äðùøôéï (ùí ôâ:) áòé ùúåéé ééï åùìà øçåõ éãéí åøâìéí áîéúä îðà ìï å÷àîø ãáâåôééäå ëúéá áäå îéúä áäãéà
Question: In Sanhedrin (83b) it asks "what is the source that there is Misah for one who [served after] he drank wine or did not wash his hands and feet?" It says that Misah is explicitly written regarding them;
åäùúà ìîä ìé ìîéëúá îéúä úéôå÷ ìéä îâæøä ùåä ãçå÷ä çå÷ä îîçåñø áâãéí ëãéìôéðï çéìåì áäå îäúí
Why did [the Torah] need to write Misah? We should learn from the Gezeirah Shavah Chukah-Chukah from Mechusar Begadim, like we learn Chilul for them from there!
îéäå ì÷îï áôéø÷éï (ãó ëã.) àîøéðï ãäåå ùìùä ëúåáéï äáàéï ëàçã åàéï îìîãéï îçåñø áâãéí åùúåéé ééï åùìà øçåõ éãéí
Answer: However, below (24a) we say that there are Sheloshah Kesuvim ha'Ba'im k'Echad (three verses, all of which teach something that we could have learned from one of them); they do not teach to other places. They are Mechusar Begadim, one who drank wine, and one who did not wash his hands and feet.
åäùúà àúé ùôéø âí ÷åùééú ä''ø éò÷á
Support: This answers the question of R. Yakov (17b DH Ein. In Sanhedrin, why do say that there is Misah for Avodas Mechusar Begadim, for he is like a Zar? Misah is written explicitly in Parshas Tetzaveh!)
ãäùúà áùìùúï ëúéá îéúä îéåúø ìîéîø áäðé (æøéí) ãåå÷à ãî÷øééï æøéí áâæéøä ùåä ãçå÷ä àéëà îéúä
Now, in all three of them Misah is written superfluously, to teach that only for these that are considered Zarim, through the Gezeirah Shavah "Chukah", there is Misah;
àáì éåùá àò''â ã÷øåé æø àéðå áîéúä
However, one who sits, even though he is called a Zar, there is no Misah.
àáì ùàø ôñåìéï ëâåï òøì åàåðï ìà àéöèøéê ÷øà ìîòåèéðäå îîéúä ëéåï ãìà àé÷øå æøéí. áøå''ê
However, other Pesulim such as Arel and Onen do not need a verse to exclude them from Misah, since they are not called Zarim. This is from R. Baruch.
Note: Shitah Mekubetzes says that the rest of this Tosfos is a comment.
çåæøðé ìåîø ã÷åùéú ä''ø éò÷á ÷ééîú ãäà ìî''ã ðîé ãáòé' ùìùä ëúåáéï äáàéï ëàçã ìéëà îéåúø ëé àí äùðéí åàçã äåé ìâåôéä
Retraction: I retract to say that R. Yakov's question persists, for according to the opinion that requires three Kesuvim ha'Ba'im k'Echad, only two are extra, for one is needed for the law itself;
åà''ë úøé ÷øàé áîçåñø áâãéí ìîä åáúøåééäå ëúéá ç÷ä
If so, why are there two verses of Mechusar Begadim, and in both of them it says Chukah?
åîéäå åçâøú ããøùéðï îéðä àéï áâãéäí òìéäí àéï ëäåðúï òìéäï àöèøéê îùåí çéìåì (äâäú öàï ÷ãùéí)
Answer: However, "v'Chagarta", from which we expound "when their Begadim are not on them, their Kehunah is not on them", is needed for Chilul [of Avodah].
ãàò''â ãîîéìà ùîòéðï ðîé îéúä îãàé÷øé æø (äâäú öàï ÷ãùéí)
Implied question: We know [Chilul and] also Misah automatically, since he is called a Zar!
îéäå ìà ëúéá åìòåìí áôøùä ãìòéì ÷àé îéúä àëåìäå áâãéí (äâäú öàï ÷ãùéí)
Answer: In any case, it is not written, and really, in the Parshah above, Misah applies to all the Begadim (i.e. serving missing any Beged. "V'Chagarta" is needed only for Chilul. This is like Answer #2 at the end of Tosfos 17b DH Ein.)
TOSFOS DH Hagahah Kohen Gadol she'Lavash Bigdei Kohen Hedyot...
úåñôåú ã"ä äâ''ä ëäï âãåì ùìáù áâãé ëäï äãéåè...
(SUMMARY: Tosfos resolves this with R. Yosi's opinion in Yoma.)
åàí úàîø äà ãàîø øáé éåñé (éåîà ãó éá:) ùðé àéðå øàåé ìà ìëäï âãåì åìà ìëäï äãéåè
Question: R. Yosi said (Yoma 12b, that if a Kohen Gadol could not serve on Yom Kipur, so another substituted for him, afterwards) the latter is not proper to serve, not as Kohen Gadol and not as Kohen Hedyot;
ëäï âãåì îùåí àéáä ëäï äãéåè îùåí îòìéï á÷åãù åìà îåøéãéï
He cannot serve as Kohen Gadol due to enmity (the first will resent this), and not as Kohen Hedyot, for we ascend in Kedushah, and we do not descend.
îã÷àîø îùåí àéáä îùîò ãîï äãéï ëäï âãåì äåà åà''ë ëäï äãéåè úéôå÷ ìéä îùåí îçåñø áâãéí
Inference: Since it says "due to enmity", this implies that according to letter of the law, he is a Kohen Gadol. If so, we already know [that he cannot serve as] Kohen Hedyot due to Mechusar Begadim!
åàéï ìôøù ãìàçø îéúú äøàùåï ÷àîø ãìà äåé ëäï âãåì îùåí àéáä
Implied suggestion: Perhaps this discusses after the first will die. (In his lifetime, the latter is a Hedyot. After the first dies, mid'Oraisa the latter is a Kohen Gadol, and R. Yosi decrees teaches that he may not serve as Kohen Gadol due to enmity, e.g. lest in his lifetime, the first think that the latter wants him to die.)
ãäà îåãä ø' éåñé (ùí éâ.) ãàí îú øàùåï ùðé çåæø ìòáåãúå
Rejection: R. Yosi agrees that if the first dies, the latter returns to serve [as Kohen Gadol]!
åéù ìåîø ãëäï âãåì ðúîðä ìòáåãúå áôä åîñúì÷ áôä ååáéøåùìîé ãøéù ìéä î÷øà (äâäú öàï ÷ãùéí)
Answer: The Kohen Gadol is verbally appointed and verbally deposed. The Yerushalmi expounds this from a verse.
åîñúáøà ùäãáø úìåé áîìê åàçéå äëäðé' ëîå ùîöéðå áô' äáà òì éáîúå (éáîåú ñà.) áéäåùò áï âîìà ãàå÷îéä éðàé îìëà
Assertion: Presumably, it depends on the king and his fellow Kohanim, like we find in Yevamos (61a) regarding Yehoshua ben Gamla. Yanai ha'Melech appointed him.
åàîøéðï áéøåùìîé åáô''÷ ãéåîà (ãó éá:) åáúåñôúà (ãéåîà ô''à) áéåñó áï àìí îöôåøé ùàéøò ôñåì áëä''â åùéîù úçúéå åëùéöà àîø ìîìê àãåðé äîìê ôø åùòéø ù÷øáå äéåí îùì îé [îùìé àå îùì ëä''â
Support: We say in the Yerushalmi and in the Tosefta (Yoma 1:4) about Yosef ben Elem of Tzipori. A Pesul occurred to the Kohen Gadol, and [Yosef] served in place of him. When he left [the Avodah], he said to the king "my master the king - the bull and goat that were offered today - from whom are they? From me, or from the Kohen Gadol?"
à''ì äîìê ìà ãééê ùùéîùú ùòä à' ìôðé îé ùàîø åäéä äòåìí] ëå' åéãò ùäåñø îï äëäåðä:
The king said to him "it suffices for you that you served once in front of the One who said, and the world came into existence..." and he knew that he was deposed from Kehunah. (It need not say "Kehunah Gedolah", for now he cannot serve even as a Hedyot.)
18b----------------------------------------18b
TOSFOS DH Mesulakin Kesherin (pertains to Amud A)
úåñôåú ã"ä îñåì÷éï ëùøéï (ùééê ìòîåã à)
(SUMMARY: Tosfos resolves this with the Gemara in Pesachim.)
äà ãúðéà áô' úîéã ðùçè (ôñçéí ñä:) îãå áã ëîãúå
Implied question: A Beraisa in Pesachim (65b) says "Mido Bad" - like his Midah (measure, of the wearer)!
ôé' ä÷åðèøñ ãäééðå ìîöåä åìà ìòëá
Answer: Rashi explained that this is a Mitzvah [l'Chatchilah], but it is not Me'akev.
TOSFOS DH v'Idach Asher Lo Darish
úåñôåú ã"ä åàéãê àùø ìà ãøéù
(SUMMARY: Tosfos resolves this with R. Shimon's opinion elsewhere.)
îùîò äëà ãàéëà ãîøáä ëñåú ãñåîà åìà îøáä áòìú çîù
Inference: Here it connotes that some include a Suma's (blind person's) garment, and do not include a five-cornered garment.
åî÷ùä ø''ú ãáô' äúëìú (îðçåú ãó îâ.) âáé ôìåâúà ãø' ùîòåï îøáé äúí øáé ùîòåï ëñåú ñåîà îàùø úëñä åáòìú çîù îàùø
Question (R. Tam): In Menachos (43a), regarding the argument of R. Shimon, R. Shimon includes a Suma's garment from "Asher Techaseh", and a five-cornered garment from "Asher"!
åìàå ôéøëà äéà ãääéà ñåâéà ëîàï ãîøáé äëà áòìú çîù
Answer: This is not difficult. That Sugya is like the opinion here that includes a five-cornered garment.
åîéäå ÷ùä àääéà ãîðçåú ãì÷îï (äâää áâìéåï, îöàï ÷ãùéí) áô' áéú ùîàé (ãó î.) àîøéðï ãø''ù àùø ìà ãøéù
Question: However, the Gemara in Menachos is difficult, for below (40a) we say that R. Shimon does not expound "Asher"!
åéù ìåîø ãäëé àîøéðï àùø ëé äàé ìà ãøéù
Answer: It means that he does not expound "Asher" in such a case.
åèåáà àéëà ëé äàé âååðà áô' ÷îà ãáëåøåú (ãó å:) ããøéù ø''ù àú äâîì åáô''÷ ãîðçåú (ãó éà:) ìà ãøéù àú
Support: We find like this in Bechoros (6b) that R. Shimon expounds "Es ha'Gamal", and in Menachos (11b) he does not expound "Es".
TOSFOS DH veha'Tanya Mesuchakin Kesherin
úåñôåú ã"ä åäúðéà îùåç÷éï ëùøéï
(SUMMARY: Tosfos questions why elsewhere, a Drashah includes them.)
úéîä ãáéåîà (ãó éá:) ãøùéðï îä ú''ì éìáù ìøáåú àú äùç÷éï åàîàé öøéê øáåé
Question: In Yoma (12b) we expound "what do we learn from "Yilbash"? It includes worn out Begadim. [Since they are Kosher,] why do we need an inclusion?
TOSFOS DH v'Eima Imra
úåñôåú ã"ä åàéîà òîøà
(SUMMARY: Tosfos rejects R. Efrayim's inference from our Gemara.)
ä''ø àôøéí äéä îã÷ã÷ ã÷ðáåñ ãúðï ùéìäé ëìàéí ùîåúø òí öîø àéï æä îä ùàðå ÷åøéï ÷ðá''à áìò''æ îãìà ôøéê åàéîà ÷ðáåñ ùòåìä áã ááã
Inference (R. Efrayim): "Kanvus" taught in the Mishnah in Kil'ayim (9:1), that it is permitted with wool, this is not what we call Kanva (hemp), since the Gemara did not ask "we should say that it is Kanvus, which grows Bad b'Vad (individually)!"
åäéä àåîø ã÷ðáåñ äåà ôùúï åàñåø òí äöîø îùåí ëìàéí
Pesak: [R. Efrayim] used to say that [Kanva, which we call] Kanvus is flax, and it is forbidden with wool due to Sha'atnez.
åäùéá ìå øáéðå çééí ëäï ãäàé ãìà ôøéê åàéîà ÷ðáåñ îùåí ãáâãé ëäåðä àé àôùø ìäéåú àìà îöîø åôùúéí ãëì áâãéí äàîåøéí áúåøä ñúí äééðå öîø åôùúéí ìúðà ãáé ø' éùîòàì (äâäú ùéèä î÷åáöú)
Rebuttal (R. Chaim Kohen): [The Gemara] did not ask "we should say that it is Kanvus" because Bigdei Kehunah can be only of wool or linen, for all garments said in the Torah Stam are wool or linen according to Tana d'Vei R. Yishmael;
åâí ìøáðï ãúðà ãáé ø' éùîòàì ìà ÷ùä îéãé ìôé îä (äâäú ùéèä î÷åáöú) ãôéøù á÷åðèøñ áã ááã ÷ðä éçéãé îëì âøòéï åàéï ùðé ÷ðéí òåìéí îâøòéï àçã åàôùø ã÷ðáåñ àéðå ëï àìà ëîå çéèéï ùëîä ùáìéï òåìéï îçéèä àçú:
And also according to Rabanan of (who argue with) Tana d'Vei R. Yishmael, this is not difficult at all according to what Rashi explained that Bad b'Vad is one stalk from one seed, and two stalks do not sprout from one seed. It is possible that Kanvus is not like this, rather, like wheat, that several ears sprout from one wheat [kernel].