1)
(a)We have already discussed our Mishnah earlier. What does the Tana say about a Nochri ...
1. ... cutting off the image's head, ear or the tip of its nose or finger?
2. ... spitting or urinating in front of the image, dragging it around or throwing excrement at it?
(b)Into which of these groups does he insert 'Pachsah' (flattening the image with a hammer, without actually removing any of the substance)?
(c)Seeing as the Nochri did not detract from the substance of the idol, why is 'Pachsah' considered Bitul?
(d)According to Rebbi, selling the image or giving it as a security against a loan constitutes Bitul. What do the Chachamim say?
1)
(a)We have already discussed our Mishnah earlier. The Tana rules that ...
1. ... cutting off the image's head, ear, or the tip of its nose or finger - is considered Bitul.
2. ... spitting or urinating in front of the image, dragging it around or throwing excrement at it - is not.
(b)He inserts 'Pachsah' (flattening the image with a hammer, without actually removing any of the substance) - in the first group.
(c)Despite the fact that the Nochri did not detract from the substance of the idol, 'Pachsah' is considered Bitul - because the Tana is speaking when he actually defaced it.
(d)According to Rebbi, selling the image or giving it as a security against a loan constitutes Bitul. According to the Chachamim - it does not.
2)
(a)What does Chizkiyah learn from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Ve'hayah ki Yir'av Vehiskatzef Ve'kilel be'Malko u'v'Elohav u'Panah Lema'alah ve'el Eretz Yabit, ve'Hineh Tzarah ve'Chasheichah"?
(b)What does "u'Panah Lema'alah" mean?
2)
(a)Chizkiyah learns from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Ve'hayah Ki Yir'av Ve'hiskatzef Ve'kilel be'Malko u'v'Elohav u'Panah Lema'alah ve'el Eretz Yabit, ve'Hineh Tzarah ve'Chasheichah" - the Din in our Mishnah, that insulting the idol without actually breaking it is not considered Bitul.
(b)"u'Panah Lema'alah" means that he turns his heart (temporarily) to Hash-m (hence the momentary Bitul).
3)
(a)Ze'iri Amar Rebbi Yochanan and Rebbi Yirmiyah Amar Rav argue over the Machlokes in our Mishnah by a Nochri who sold his god. One of them establishes it by a gentile smith (see Tosfos DH 'Aval'). What would both opinions hold in a case where he sold it to a Yisrael?
(b)What does the other one say?
(c)What is the basis of their Machlokes?
3)
(a)Ze'iri Amar Rebbi Yochanan and Rebbi Yirmiyah Amar Rav argue over the Machlokes in our Mishnah by a Nochri who sold his god. One of them establishes it by a gentile smith (see Tosfos DH 'Aval'). Both opinions will agree however, that selling it to a Yisrael - is considered Bitul .
(b)The other one holds - that they argue when he sold it to a Yisrael.
(c)The basis of their Machlokes is - whether the Nochri thinks that the Yisrael will destroy it, or whether he thinks that, due to its tremendous value, he will re-sell it to a Nochri.
4)
(a)What She'eilah do we ask on the second opinion?
(b)Rebbi, in a Beraisa commented that his opinion appears correct in a case where the Nochri sold the idol in order to nullify it, and the opinion of the Chachamim, where he sold it in order to worship it. Why can this not be meant literally?
(c)So we suggest that by 'to nullify it' and 'to worship it', Rebbi meant to a Yisrael and to a Nochri, respectively. How would this resolve our She'eilah?
(d)How do we refute this proof, based on the Lashon of Rebbi 'Nir'in Devarai ke'she'Machrah le'Chavlah, ve'Divrei Chaverai she'Machrah le'Avdah'?
(e)What ought he to have said for the proof to have been valid?
4)
(a)We ask on the second opinion - whether they now argue specifically by where he sold it to a Yisrael (but that if he sold it to a Nochri both will agree that it is not Bateil), or whether they argue even when he sold it to a Yisrael (and certainly when he sold it to a Nochri).
(b)Rebbi, in a Beraisa commented that his opinion appears correct in a case where the Nochri sold the idol in order to nullify it, and the opinion of the Chachamim, where he sold it in order to worship it. This cannot be meant literally - because if the Nochri sold it in order to worship it, why would Rebbi say that it is 'Bateil', and if he sold it in order to nullify it, why would the Rabbanan say that it is not?
(c)So we suggest that by 'to nullify it' and 'to worship it', Rebbi meant to a Yisrael and to a Nochri respectively. This would resolve our She'eilah - because it would mean that they are arguing there where he sold it to a Nochri, as well as where he sold it to a Yisrael.
(d)We refute this proof however, based on the Lashon of Rebbi 'Nir'in Devarai ke'she'Machrah le'Chavlah, ve'Divrei Chaverai she'Machrah le'Avdah', which implies that - the Chachamim agree with Rebbi by a Nochri who sold his idol to a Yisrael, and they only argue with him where he sold it to a Nochri (see Tosfos DH 'O Dilma').
(e)For the proof to have been valid, he ought to have added the word 'Nir'in' to his final statement ('ve'Nir'in Divrei Chaverai she'Machrah le'Avdah').
5)
(a)What does the Beraisa say about a case where someone finds an image among broken pieces of silver which he purchased from a Nochri, assuming ...
1. ... he has not yet paid for them?
2. ... assuming that he has?
(b)How do we justify the first ruling, seeing as he already made a Kinyan Meshichah?
(c)Then how will we explain the second ruling?
(d)What do we try and prove from here?
(e)How do we reject this proof? Why would even Rebbi agree that here, the image will not be Bateil?
5)
(a)The Beraisa rules that if someone finds an image among broken pieces of silver which he purchased from a Nochri, assuming ...
1. ... he has not yet paid for them - he should return it to the Nochri to make Bitul, and then acquire it again.
2. ... assuming that he has - he must take its value to the Yam Hamelach.
(b)We justify the first ruling, despite the fact that he already made a Kinyan Meshichah - because it was a Meshichah be'Ta'us (an erroneous Meshichah).
(c)The second ruling is nevertheless correct - because were he to take the money back, it would look as if he was selling it back to the owner (which is forbidden).
(d)We try and prove from here - that the Rabbanan must argue with Rebbi where the Nochri sold the image to a Yisrael, because otherwise, who will be the author of the Beraisa?
(e)We reject this proof however - because it is speaking where the Nochri sold the silver as silver and was not aware that the batch contained an image. Consequently, even Rebbi will agree that here, the image is not Bateil.
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6)
(a)What does the Beraisa say about an idol ...
1. ... against which a Nochri borrowed, one upon which a wall fell or one which was stolen by robbers?
2. ... whose owner left for overseas, leaving it behind?
(b)Having taught us the Din in the case of where ...
1. ... the Nochri borrowed against the idol, why does the Tana need to add the case where a wall fell on it?
2. ... a wall fell on it, why does he need to add the case where it was stolen by robbers?
3. ... it was stolen by robbers, why did he need to add the case where he went overseas, leaving it behind?
(c)Did the Nochrim who went to fight against Yehoshua, return?
(d)Then what does the Tana mean when he conditions the non-Bitul to the fact that they intend to return 'like those that fought with Yehoshua'? How do we amend his statement?
6)
(a)The Beraisa rules that an idol ...
1. ... against which a Nochri borrowed, one upon which a wall fell or one that was stolen by robbers - does not become Bateil.
2. ... whose owner left for overseas leaving it behind - does not become Bateil either, provided he intends to return, like those who went to fight against Yehoshua.
(b)Having taught us the Din in the case of where ...
1. ... the Nochri borrowed against the idol (since he did not sell it permanently), the Tana nevertheless needs to add the case where a wall fell on it - where we might have thought that (since he did not take the trouble to retrieve it from the rubble), he was Mevatel it.
2. ... a wall fell on it (which is always there to retrieve whenever he wants), he need to add the case where it was stolen by robbers - where again we might have thought that (since he did not bother to recapture it), he was Mevatel it.
3. ... it was stolen by robbers (he thinks that if it was a Nochri who stole it, he will worship it, and if it was a Yisrael, he will at least sell it to a Nochri, he nevertheless needs to add the case where he goes overseas, leaving it behind - since we would have thought that since he has abandoned it without taking it with him, hemust have been Mevatel it.
(c)The Nochrim who went to fight against Yehoshua - did not return ...
(d)... and when he conditions the non-Bitul to the fact that they intend to return 'like those that fought with Yehoshua', he means that - if he intends to return, then it is comparable to the war of Yehoshua, where the idols were not subject to Bitul (as we will now explain).
7)
(a)The Beraisa mentions the battle with Yehoshua, to teach us the Din of Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel. What does Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel say about a Yisrael who erects a brick, and a Nochri prostrates himself before it?
(b)Rebbi Elazar learns this from the Pasuk in Re'ei "va'Ashereihem Tisr'fun ba'Eish". Why might we have thought that the Asheiros of the Cana'anim would be permitted?
(c)Why then, did they not at least force the Cana'anim to be Mevatel their Asheiros after they entered?
(d)And what do we learn from the Pasuk in Ki Sisa "Eileh Elohecha Yisrael!" (written in the plural)?
(e)How about those Asheiros that the Cana'anim worshipped after Yisrael did Teshuvah? Why were they not permitted.
7)
(a)The Beraisa mentions the battle with Yehoshua, to teach us the Din of Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel, who rules that if a Yisrael erects a brick, and a Nochri prostrates himself before it - the brick is forbidden (despite the fact that one cannot normally render somebody else's property forbidden).
(b)Rebbi Elazar learns this from the Pasuk "va'Ashereihem Tisr'fun ba'Eish", which we might have thought would be permitted - due to the fact that Eretz Yisrael belonged to Yisrael, since they inherited it from the Avos (and one cannot render forbidden someone else's property).
(c)They did not force the Cana'anim to be Mevatel their Asheiros after they entered - because it would not have helped, (for the same reason as the Avodah-Zarah became Asur in the first place, namely) since Yisrael indicated when they worshipped the Eigel that they agreed with it.
(d)We learn from the Pasuk in Ki Sisa "Eileh Elohecha Yisrael!" (written in the plural) that it was not only the Eigel that they wanted, but any other Avodah-Zarah that was available (including all those that the Cana'anim worshipped at that time).
(e)The fact is that the Asheiros that the Cana'anin worshipped after Yisrael did Teshuvah were indeed permitted - only who was to know which idols were worshipped earlier, and which ones, later.
8)
(a)We learned in the previous Mishnah that an abandoned Avodah-Zarah constitutes Bitul. What does the Tana of our Mishnah now say, that qualifies this? When does an abandoned image remain forbidden?
(b)What are 'Bimisa'os shel Melachim'?
(c)Why does our Mishnah permit them?
8)
(a)We learned in the previous Mishnah that an abandoned Avodah-Zarah constitutes Bitul. The Tana of our Mishnah now qualifies this - by drawing a distinction between a time of peace and a time of war. In time of war, an abandoned image remains forbidden.
(b)'Bimisa'os shel Melachim' - are large hewn stones which were used as makeshift platforms, on which they would place an idol when the king was due to pass that way.
(c)Our Mishnah permits them - because they were only temporary (though we will query this later).
9)
(a)What is 'Beis Nimrod'?
(b)What does Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba Amar Rav rule with regard to 'Beis Nimrod'?
(c)Why does he give it the Din of an Avodah-Zarah that was abandoned in time of peace, in spite of the fact that Hash-m scattered them as an act of war?
(d)What problem do we have with the reason that our Mishnah gives to permit 'Bimisi'os shel Melachim'?
(e)How does Rabah bar bar Chanah therefore explain it?
9)
(a)'Beis Nimrod' is - synonymous with the Tower of Bavel)
(b)Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba Amar Rav - permits it be'Hana'ah.
(c)He gives it the Din of an Avodah-Zarah that was abandoned in time of peace, in spite of the fact that Hash-m scattered them in an act of 'war' - because (unlike most defeated armies of former times) after they were scattered, they had the option of returning, but chose not to.
(d)The problem with the reason that our Mishnah gives to permit 'Bimisi'os shel Melachim' is that - the fact that an Avodah-Zarah is temporary is not sufficient reason to permit it.
(e)Rabah bar bar Chanah therefore explains that - the Tana is speaking about a Bimah that was set up and ready to use, but the king took another route.
10)
(a)What objection did Rav Yehudah raise when Ula came from Eretz Yisrael and sat on a chipped Bimus? What did Rav and Shmuel say about a chipped Bimus?
(b)What did Ula retort? What did Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish say about it?
(c)Why is a chipped Bimus differenft than a chipped Avodah-Zarah in this regard?
(d)What did he add to demonstrate his respect for Rav and Shmuel?
10)
(a)When Ula came from Eretz Yisrael and sat on a chipped Bimus, Rav Yehudah objected on the basis of Rav and Shmuel, who forbade a chipped Bimus, even according to those who hold 'Ein Ovdin li'Shevarim' (because a Bimus is of less importance than an actual Avodah-Zarah, and therefore continues to be used as before, even after it has been chipped.
(b)Ula retorted - that Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish permitted it, even according to those who hold 'Ovdin li'Shevarim' ...
(c)... because if they do not relinquish an Avodah-Zarah that they already worshipped so readily, that cannot be said about a Bimus.
(d)To demonsrate his respect for Rav and Shmuel however, he added that - he would be happy if someone would give him dust from Rav and Shmuel's graves to fill his eyes.
11)
(a)The Beraisa that we quote in support of Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish rules 'Bimus she'Nifgam, Mutar'. What does it say about a Mizbe'ach she'Nifgam? What sort of Mizbe'ach is the Tana referring to?
(b)How does Rebbi Ya'akov bar Idi Amar Rebbi Yochanan distinguish between a Bimus and a Mizbe'ach?
(c)How does Chizkiyah learn the Din of Mizbe'ach she'Nifgam from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "be'Sumo Kol Avnei Mizbe'ach ke'Avnei Gir Menufatzos, Lo Yakumu Asheirim ve'Chamanim"?
11)
(a)The Beraisa that we quote in support of Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish rules 'Bimus she'Nifgam, Mutar' - but Mizbe'ach she'Nifgam is forbidden until most of it has been demolished. The Tana is referring to - a Mizbe'ach on which, like Bimus, they worshipped Avodah-Zarah.
(b)Rebbi Ya'akov bar Idi Amar Rebbi Yochanan describes a Bimus - as a platform consisting of one stone, whereas a Mizbe'ach comprises many stones.
(c)Chizkiyah explains the Pasuk "be'Sumo Kol Avnei Mizbe'ach ke'Avnei Gir Menufatzos, Lo Yakumu Asheirim ve'Chamanim" to mean that - when the Mizbe'ach of Avodah-Zarah is broken up like so many hailstones, then they will no longer sacrifice on it to Asheirah or to the sun-god.