12TH CYCLE DEDICATION

BECHOROS 7 (24 Cheshvan) - dedicated by Dr. Moshe and Rivkie Snow in memory of Rivkie's father, the Manostrishtcher Rebbi, Hagaon Rav Yitzchak Yoel ben Harav Gedaliah Aharon Rabinowitz Ztz"l, Rav of Kehilas Nachalas Yehoshua in Canarsie, NY. A personification of the Torah scholar of old, the Ukranian-born Rebbi lived most of his life in the United States where his warm ways changed many lives.
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INDICATIONS OF INTENT (Yerushalmi Ma'asros Perek 4 Halachah 2 Daf 19a)

משנה תינוקות שטמנו תאנים לשבת ושכח לעשרן לא יאכלו מוצאי שבת עד שיעשרו.

(a)

(Mishnah): If children hid figs in the field to eat on Shabbos and the owner forgot to tithe them, they may not be eaten until they've been tithed after Shabbos.

כלכלת שבת בית שמאי פוטרין ובית הילל מחייבין רבי יהודה אומר אף הלוקט כלכלה לשלח לחבירו לא יאכל עד שיעשר.

(b)

A basket of figs picked for Shabbos - Beis Shammai exempt (and permit snacking on it until Shabbos); Beis Hillel obligate. R. Yehuda says that even if one picks for a basket and sends it to a friend as a gift, he should not snack without tithing.

הנוטל זיתים מן המעטן טובל אחד אחד במלח ואוכל. אם מלח ונתן לפניו חייב.

(c)

One who takes olives from the Ma'atan (vat where the olives are left to soften and warm), he may dip them one at a time and eat, but if he salted several and put them in front of him, they are obligated.

רבי ליעזר אומר מן המעטן הטהור חייב מן המעטן הטמא פטור מפני שהוא מחזיר את המותר.

(d)

(R. Eliezer): If (a Tamei person) took them from a Tahor Ma'atan, they are obligated; if from a Tamei Ma'atan, they are exempt, as he returns the remainder.

שותין על הגת בין על החמין בין על הצונן ופטור דברי רבי מאיר

(e)

(R. Meir): One may drink in the winepress whether the contents are hot or cold and he is exempt.

רבי אלעזר בי רבי צדוק מחייב.

1.

R. Elazar bei R. Tzadok obligates him.

וחכמים אומרים על החמין חייב ועל הצונן פטור:

(f)

(Chachamim): He is obligated if it is hot and exempt if it is cold.

גמרא רב המנונא אמר תינוק שחיפה כלכלה לשוק נטבלה. מקום שמחשבתו של גדול מתקיימת שם מעשיו של קטן מתקיימין.

(g)

(Gemara) (Rav Hamnuna): (An earlier Mishnah taught (Chulin 127(d)) - Produce usually put in a basket becomes obligated after it's covered. And if it isn't being covered, after he fills the vessel. And if he isn't filling it, after he gathers in everything he wants. When is this? When he's taking it to the market (for sale); but if he's taking it home, he may snack from it until he reaches his home.) If a child covers the basket to take it to the market, it becomes obligated. In a case when the intent of an adult is effective (to make it Tevel when he intends to take it to the market), the actions of a child are effective.

[דף לד עמוד ב (עוז והדר)] רבי זעירא בעי כלום מחשבתו של גדול מתקיימת עד שיפתח לשוק ודכוותה אין מעשיו של קטן מתקיימין עד שיפתח לשוק.

(h)

Question (R. Zeira): Surely an adult's intent is ineffective unless he plans to open (the basket) in the market? If so, the actions of the child should only be effective when he actually opens it in the market!

מתניתא פליגא על (רב המנונא)[רבי זעירא] תינוקות שטמנו תאינים לשבת ושכחו לעשרן לא יאכלו למוצאי שבת עד שיתעשרו.

(i)

Our Mishnah refutes R. Zeira - 'If children hid figs in the field to eat on Shabbos and the owner forgot to tithe them, they may not be eaten until after Shabbos when they will be tithed.' This shows that a child's picking with intent to eat on Shabbos obligates (even though his actions don't show that he picked them for Shabbos).

ר' זעירא בשם רב המנונא תפתר בשלקטום עם דמדומי חמה והוכיח מעשה שלהן על מחשבתן.

(j)

Answer (R. Zeira citing Rav Hamnuna): He picked them as the sun was setting at the onset of Shabbos, so his actions showed his intent.

לית הדא פליגא על דר' יוחנן דר' יוחנן אמר השבת טובלת מפני שלקטום לשבת הא אם לקטום שלא לשבת לא.

(k)

Question: R. Yochanan said earlier (Chulin 135(c)1.) that Shabbos obligates (even fruits that weren't picked for Shabbos) and here the Mishnah taught that the children had hid them to be eaten on Shabbos - but if they would have picked them for non-Shabbos use, they would not become obligated..?

ר' יונה בשם (רבה מנונא)[רב המנונא] אפי' לקטם לשבת אוכל מהן עראי לערב שבת.

(l)

Answer (R. Yona citing Rav Hamnuna): The Mishnah's reference to picking them to be eaten on Shabbos was to teach that even if he picked them for Shabbos, he may snack on them before Shabbos.

[דף יט עמוד ב] אפי' על דרבי שמעון בן לקיש לית היא פליגא. ולא תינוקות אינון ואפילו לקטם לשבת כמי שלקטום שלא לשבת.

(m)

Question: Isn't it also a question against R. Shimon ben Lakish (who disagrees earlier with R. Yochanan, saying that Shabbos only obligates fruits that were picked for Shabbos) - our Mishnah taught that if a child picked them for Shabbos, they become obligated. But if a child's intent is not significant, it's as if he picked them for non-Shabbos use?

רבי יוסי בשם רבי הילא תיפתר שלקטום עם דמדומי חמה והוכיח מעשה שלהם על מחשבתן.

(n)

Answer (R. Yosi citing R. Hila): They picked them as the sun was setting, which proved their intent.

[דף לה עמוד א (עוז והדר)] רבי לעזר בשם רבי הושעיה בכלכלה של תאנים היא מתניתא.

(o)

(R. Elazar citing R. Hoshiya): (The Mishnah taught that Beis Hillel obligate a basket of figs picked for Shabbos.) It refers to a basket of figs (as putting them in a basket shows that he wants them for Shabbos).

דבי רבי ינאי אמרי אפי' נצרה.

(p)

(D'Bei R. Yannai): It applies even to a basket made of (peeled) willow branches.

רבי לעזר בן אנטיגנוס בשם רבי לעזר בי רבי ינאי תפתר בתאינה המיוחדת לשבת

(q)

(R. Elazar ben Antignus citing R. Elazar bei R. Yannai): Beis Hillel obligate because it was a basket designated for Shabbos use.

דלמא רבי חייא רבי אימי רבי איסי הוון יתבין עבר חד טעין כלכלה דתאינים א''ל ליזבון א''ל כלכלת שבת אינה מזבנה.

1.

R. Chiya, R. Imi and R. Isi were once sitting together. A man carrying a basket of figs passed in front of them. They asked him to sell it to them. He replied that it's a basket for Shabbos and it's not for sale.

רבי חייא בשם רבי יוחנן לא אמר רבי יודא אלא בכלכלת שבת.

(r)

(R. Chiya citing R. Yochanan): (In the Mishnah, R. Yehuda said that even if one picks for a basket and sends it to a friend as a gift, he should not snack without tithing.) R. Yehuda was only speaking about a basket for Shabbos (as it is established for Maaser).

אי אמר רבי יהודה בליקט כלכלה לשלחה לחבירו שהוא מקפיד עליה ככלכלת שבת.

1.

Alternatively, R. Yehuda says that since he is particular about a basket he sends as a gift, it is like a basket for Shabbos (and establishes an obligation).

לית הדא פליגא על רב דרב אמר הוא אסור לוכל.

(s)

Question: (The Mishnah taught that one who takes olives from the Ma'atan (vat) may dip them one at a time and eat, but if he salted several and put them in front of him, they are obligated.) (Since the Ma'atan is usually kept in the house or courtyard,) doesn't the Mishnah refute Rav, who said that (if produce was brought through the house or courtyard, even if it is not complete, it becomes obligated and) one may not snack from it?

פתר לה בעושה מעטן בשדה

(t)

Answer: He had the Ma'atan in his field.

וקשיא אם מלח טובלת למה לי צירוף ואם צירוף למה לי מלח

(u)

Question: If salting obligates, why must he put several down in front of him and if several combine to obligate, why did he need to salt it?

אלא על ידי זה ועל ידי זה.

(v)

Answer: Both of these together obligate.

[דף לה עמוד ב (עוז והדר)] מה נן קיימין אם (ב)[כ]שיש שני מעטנין דברי הכל (אסור)[מותר] אם כשאין לו אלא מעטן אחד דברי הכל (מותר)[אסור].

1.

What's the case? If there are two Ma'atans, all agree that it's permitted. If there's only one Ma'atan, all agree that it's prohibited.

אלא כי נן קיימין כשיש לו מעטן טהור ולחבירו מעטן טמא.

2.

Rather, there's one Tahor Ma'atan and one Tamei Ma'atan.

אמר רבי ליעזר [אין] אדם מחזיר על מעטן של חבירו

(w)

(R. Elazar): A person doesn't return the remainder to another person's Ma'atan.

ורבנין אמרי (אין) אדם מחזיר למעטן של חבירו.

1.

(Rabbanan): A person does return it to another person's Ma'atan.

אמר רבי יוחנן על החמין חייב שהוא קבע על הצונין פטור שהוא עראי יכול הוא מחזרתיה

(x)

(R. Yochanan): (The Mishnah taught that the Chachamim say that he is obligated if it is hot and exempt if it is cold.) He's obligated if it's hot - since he cannot return the remainder (as it ruins the wine in the vat), it's considered fixed. However, he could return cold wine, so it's still considered snacking.

דאמר רבי יוסי בשם רבי זעירא רבי יונה ורבי זעירא בשם רבי לעזר אף במה שבלגין לא נטבל מפני שהוא עתיד להחזירו בדבר שלא נגמרה מלאכתו:

1.

Support (R. Yosi citing R. Zeira/ R. Yona/ R. Zeira citing R. Elazar): (See earlier Chulin 129(l)) even what is in the jug is not Tevel, as he will later return the wine into something that is not yet completed.