1)

(a)On the previous Amud, we cited Rav Ashi's She'eilah whether, according to the Rabanan, there is Shinuy by Tzeroros or not. Why might Shinuy not be applicable to Tzeroros?

(b)Rava asked earlier whether there is Ha'ada'ah by Tzeroros or not. On what grounds does Rav Ashi decline to resolve his She'eilah from there (in that if there is Shinuy by the first three times, then there can obviously be no Nezek Shalem by the fourth time)?

(c)Rav Ashi then asks whether Sumchus, who holds that Tzeroros pays Nezek Shalem, will concede that in a case of Ko'ach Kocho, he pays Chatzi Nezek. What is the reasoning to say that he should?

(d)What is the outcome of Rav Ashi's She'eilah?

1)

(a)On the previous Amud, we cited Rav Ashi's She'eilah whether, according to the Rabanan, there is Shinuy by Tzeroros or not. The reason that there is not is because we never find less than Chatzi Nezek.

(b)Rava asked earlier whether there is Ha'ada'ah by Tzeroros or not. Rav Ashi declines to resolve his She'eilah from there (in that if there is Shinuy by the first three times to pay Revi'a Nezek, then there can be no Nezek Shalem by the fourth time) by suggesting that Rava himself asked his She'eilah as an extension to his (Rav Ashi's). In other words, he meant first to ask whether there is such a thing as a Shinuy by Tzeroros, and if not, whether there is Hada'ah.

(c)Rav Ashi then asks whether Sumchus, who holds that Tzeroros pays Nezek Shalem, will concede that in a case of Ko'ach Kocho, he pays Chatzi Nezek because then, he will at least establish the 'Halachah l'Moshe mi'Sinai' by Ko'ach Kocho, which is preferable to saying that he does not hold of it at all.

(d)The outcome of Rav Ashi's She'eilah is Teiku (Tishbi Yetaretz Kushyos v'Ibayos).

2)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah 'Hayesah Meva'etes O she'Hayu Tzeroros Menatzin mi'Tachas Raglehah v'Shavrah Es ha'Kelim', Meshalem Chatzi Nezek', and we query the Tana's intentions regarding the second phrase; whether the Tzeroros is an independent case, and speaks k'Urcheih, or it is an extension of the first, and speaks when he kicked up the Tzeroros deliberately. What are the ramifications of this She'eilah?

(b)How do we try to resolve our She'eilah from the Seifa 'Darsah Al ha'Kli v'Shavraso, v'Nafal ha'Shever Al Kli Acher v'Shavro, Al ha'Rishon Meshalem Nezek Shalem, v'Al ha'Acharon, Chatzi Nezek'. Why can this Mishnah not go like Sumchus?

(c)How do we nevertheless manage to establish the Mishnah like Sumchus (by re-interpreting 'Rishon' and 'Sheni')?

(d)The problem with this explanation is Rav Ashi's She'eilah. Which She'eilah?

2)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah 'Hayesah Meva'etes O she'Hayu Tzeroros Menatzin mi'Tachas Raglehah v'Shavrah Es ha'Kelim', Meshalem Chatzi Nezek', and we query the Tana's intentions regarding the second phrase; whether the Tzeroros is an independent case and speaks k'Urcheih, in which case the She'eilah goes according to the Rabanan; or whether it is an extension of the first, and speaks when he kicked up the Tzeroros deliberately and it goes according to Sumchus.

(b)We try to resolve our She'eilah from the Seifa 'Darsah Al ha'Kli v'Shavraso, v'Nafal ha'Shever Al Kli Acher v'Shavro, Al ha'Rishon Meshalem Nezek Shalem, v'Al ha'Acharon, Chatzi Nezek', which cannot go like Sumchus because according to him, Tzeroros pays Nezek Shalem.

(c)We nevertheless manage to establish the Mishnah like Sumchus by re-interpreting 'Rishon' as 'Rishon l'Hatazah' (meaning the first vessel that was broken through Tzeroros [Kocho], and 'Sheni', as 'Sheni l'Hatazah' (meaning the second vessel that was broken through Tzeroros [Ko'ach Kocho]), and by establishing that Sumchus differentiates between Ko'ach and Ko'ach Kocho (thereby resolving our She'eilah).

(d)The problem with this explanation is Rav Ashi's recent She'eilah whether Sumchus concedes to Chatzi Nezek Tzeroros by Ko'ach Kocho or not.

3)

(a)In fact, we conclude, Rav Ashi establishes our Mishnah like the Rabanan, and he presents the current She'eilah differently. How does he present the She'eilah to conform with his previous She'eilah (whether there is Shinuy by Tzeroros or not)?

(b)What is the outcome of the She'eilah?

(c)Rebbi Aba bar Mamal asked Rebbi Ami or Rebbi Chiya bar Aba a third She'eilah that remains unresolved. What did he ask him about an animal that was walking in a place where it was inevitable for it not to kick up Tzeroros, but as it walked past, it did so deliberately?

(d)What is the alternative interpretation of this She'eilah?

3)

(a)In fact, we conclude, Rav Ashi establishes our Mishnah like the Rabanan, and he presents the current She'eilah differently. According to him, the She'eilah is whether the case of Tzeroros speaks k'Urchaihu, which is why he pays Chatzi Nezek, but had it damaged deliberately, then he would only have had to pay a quarter of the damage ('Yesh Shinuy bi'Tzeroros'); or whether the Tana speaks when it kicked up the Tzeroros deliberately, and still he pays Chatzi Nezek ('Ein Shinuy li'Tzeroros').

(b)This She'eilah too, remains unresolved.

(c)Rebbi Aba bar Mamal asked Rebbi Ami or Rebbi Chiya bar Aba a third She'eilah that will remain unresolved. He asked him whether if an animal was walking in a place where it was inevitable for it not to kick up Tzeroros, but as it walked past, it did so deliberately it would be considered Urcheih (and he would have to pay Chatzi Nezek Tzeroros), or whether it was considered a Shinuy, and assuming that 'Yesh Shinuy li'Tzeroros', he would have to pay for only a quarter of the damage.

(d)Alternatively, he asked him whether it was considered Tzeroros, for which he must pay half damages, even if the animal was a Mu'ad; or whether it was considered Keren, and in the case of a Mu'ad, he would have to pay in full.

4)

(a)What did Rebbi Yirmeyahu ask Rebbi Zeira about Tzeroros in the Reshus ha'Rabim?

(b)What was Rebbi Zeira's reply?

(c)And what did he reply when Rebbi Yirmeyahu asked him whether the owner would be Chayav if the animal kicked up pebbles in the Reshus ha'Rabim, but they damaged in the Reshus ha'Nizak?

4)

(a)Rebbi Yirmeyahu asked Rebbi Zeira whether one is Chayav for Tzeroros in the Reshus ha'Rabim (like Keren) or not (like Regel).

(b)Rebbi Zeira replied that logically, Tzeroros is a Toldah of Regel, and is therefore Patur.

(c)And when he asked him whether the owner would be Chayav if the animal kicked up pebbles in the Reshus ha'Rabim, but they damaged in the Reshus ha'Nizak, he replied that since there is no Akirah (the place where the animal kicked up the stones is not one of Chiyuv), there is no Hanachah (the place where the damage is performed does not create a Chiyuv) either.

5)

(a)The Beraisa states ' ... Hitizah Bein bi'Reshus ha'Yachid, Bein bi'Reshus ha'Rabim, Chayav'. Where does Rebbi Zeira establish the damage as having taken place?

(b)But did Rebbi Zeira not say earlier 'Akirah Ein Ka'an, Hanachah Ein Ka'an'?

(c)The Beraisa establishes our Mishnah 'Darsah Al ha'Kli, v'Shavraso, v'Nafal ha'Shever Al Kli Acher v'Shavro, Al ha'Rishon Meshalem Nezek Shalem ... ', in the Reshus ha'Nizak. What will be the Din in the Reshus ha'Rabim with regard to ...

1. ... the first vessel?

2. ... the second vessel?

(d)According to Rebbi Zeira, whereabouts (in the second case) did the damage take place?

5)

(a)The Beraisa states ' ... Hitizah Bein bi'Reshus ha'Yachid, Bein bi'Reshus ha'Rabim, Chayav'. Rebbi Zeira establishes the damage as having taken place specifically in the Reshus ha'Yachid.

(b)Even though Rebbi Zeira said earlier 'Akirah Ein Ka'an, Hanachah Ein Ka'an' the Beraisa has forced him to retract.

(c)The Beraisa establishes our Mishnah 'Darsah Al ha'Kli, v'Shavraso, v'Nafal ha'Shever Al Kli Acher v'Shavro, Al ha'Rishon Meshalem Nezek Shalem ... ', in the Reshus ha'Nizak. In the Reshus ha'Rabim with regard to ...

1. ... the first vessel he would be Patur.

2. ... the second vessel he would be Chayav.

(d)According to Rebbi Zeira, the damage, in the second case, took place in the Reshus ha'Yachid (as we just explained).

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6)

(a)The third proof that Rebbi Zeira retracted from his original position is from his interpretation of Rebbi Yochanan. What does Rebbi Yochanan say about Chatzi Nezek and the Reshuyos?

(b)How does ...

1. ... Rebbi Zeira establish the case?

2. ... he explain Rebbi Yochanan alternatively, to circumvent the problem with his original statement altogether? What might Rebbi Yochanan have meant by 'Chatzi Nezek'?

(c)What is the basis for this distinction?

6)

(a)The third proof that Rebbi Zeira retracted from his original position is from his interpretation of Rebbi Yochanan who says 'Ein Chatzi Nezek Chaluk bein li'Reshus ha'Yachid, bein li'Reshus ha'Rabim'.

(b)Rebbi Zeira establishes ...

1. ... the case by 'Hitiz bi'Reshus ha'Rabim, v'Hizik bi'Reshus ha'Yachid'.

2. ... alternatively establishes Rebbi Yochanan by Chatzi Nezek of a Tam (of Keren and not by Tzeroros at all), circumventing the problem with his original statement altogether.

(c)The basis for this distinction is the two words "Yechetzun" and "Ve'chatz'u", that the Torah writes by Shor Tam.

7)

(a)Rebbi Yehudah Nesi'ah and Rebbi Oshaya were sitting by the canopy of Rebbi Yehudah (ha'Nasi), when one of them asked the other whether the swishing of an animal's tail is considered Urcheih or not. What did the other one reply?

(b)Why can we not present the same argument by Keren?

(c)Seeing as this logic is irrefutable, what was the She'eilah in the first place?

7)

(a)Rebbi Yehudah Nesi'ah and Rebbi Oshaya were sitting by the canopy of Rebbi Yehudah (ha'Nasi), when one of them asked the other whether the swishing of an animal's tail is considered Urcheih or not to which the other one threw back the question whether the owner is expected to walk around holding the animal's tail.

(b)We cannot present the same argument by Keren because Keren constitutes willful damage (for which he is liable in any case), whereas a swishing tail is Urcheih.

(c)Because this logic is irrefutable, the She'eilah in the first place must have been not in a case when the animal just swished its tail, but when it did so more vigorously than usual.

8)

(a)Rav Eina asked what the Din will be if a male animal causes damage in the Reshus ha'Rabim by swishing its organ. Why might it be different than damaging with its horn, which is similar, inasmuch as there too, the damage is the result of an overpowering urge?

(b)What is the outcome of this She'eilah?

(c)Rav Huna (who initially establishes the case in our Mishnah, which declares a chicken a Mu'ad if an object which is tied to its foot damages, by Bor [when the object damaged when it is static]) confines the case to when it was tied there on its own. What does he say about when someone tied it there? Will it make any difference whether it is the owner or somebody else who tied it?

(d)It must be the owner of the animal whom the Tana of our Mishnah obligates to pay Chatzi Nezek, and not the owner of the article. What would the Tana have said regarding the latter, in assuming he was ...

1. ... an Ones?

2. ... negligent?

8)

(a)Rav Eina asked what the Din will be if a male animal causes damage in the Reshus ha'Rabim by swishing its organ. Despite the similarity to Keren (which is similar, inasmuch as there too, the damage is the result of an overpowering urge), it is different inasmuch as it does not intend to damage (like Keren does).

(b)This She'eilah too, remains unresolved.

(c)Rav Huna (who initially establishes the case in our Mishnah, which declares a chicken a Mu'ad if an object that is tied to its foot damages, by Bor [when the object damaged when it was static]) confines the case to when it was tied there on its own because if someone else tied it there, then he will be Chayav. Neither does it matter that the person who tied it was not the owner because in the realm of damages, someone who picks up an object immediately becomes the owner as far as liability is concerned.

(d)It must be the owner of the animal whom Mishnah obligates to pay Chatzi Nezek, and not the owner of the article. Regarding the latter, had he been ...

1. ... an Ones the Tana would have absolved him from paying.

2. ... negligent then he would have obligated him to pay full damages.

9)

(a)We initially think that the owner of the chicken is Patur from full damages, because of the Pasuk "Ki Yichreh Ish Bor". What do we learn from this Pasuk?

(b)What is the problem with that suggestion?

(c)How do we then establish the Chiyuv in our Mishnah? If the Chiyuv is not because of Bor, then what is it?

(d)So Rav Huna's statement did not pertain to our Mishnah at all, but was said independently. How does Rav Huna bar Mano'ach define the Chiyuv of a 'Bor' that someone else ties to the chicken's foot?

9)

(a)We initially think that the owner of the chicken is Patur from full damages because of the Pasuk "Ki Yichreh Ish Bor" which teaches us that a person is not liable for a Bor that his animal creates ("Ish Bor", 've'Lo Shor Bor').

(b)The problem with that suggestion is why he is then Chayav to pay even half.

(c)We therefore switch the Chiyuv in our Mishnah from Bor to Tzeroros (because the vessel damages whilst it is moving [and not when it is static, like we first thought]).

(d)So Rav Huna's statement did not pertain to our Mishnah at all, but was said independently. Rav Huna bar Mano'ach defines the Chiyuv of a 'Bor' that someone ties to the chicken's foot, as 'Bor ha'Misgalgel b'Raglei Adam u've'Raglei Beheimah', which we already discussed in the first Perek.

10)

(a)How much must the owner pay, should his animal eat an article of clothing or a vessel ...

1. ... in the Reshus ha'Nizak?

2. ... in the Reshus ha'Rabim?

(b)What does our Mishnah say about an animal that benefits from what it eats in the Reshus ha'Rabim?

(c)In the same context, how much will the owner have to pay if his animal eats and benefits from ...

1. ... the middle of the street?

2. ... the side of the street?

3. ... the entrance to a store?

4. ... the middle of the store?

10)

(a)If someone's animal ate an article of clothing or a vessel ...

1. ... in the Reshus ha'Nizak he must pay Chatzi Nezek (because it is not Urchah).

2. ... in the Reshus ha'Rabim he is Patur (as will be explained in the Sugya).

(b)Our Mishnah rules that if an animal benefits from what it ate in the Reshus ha'Rabim the owner must pay for the benefit.

(c)In the same context, if his animal eats and benefits from ...

1. ... the middle of the street the owner must pay for the benefit.

2. ... the side of the street for the damage.

3. ... the entrance to a store for the benefit.

4. ... the middle of the store for the damage.

11)

(a)Which animal normally eats barley?

(b)Seeing as it is not normal for a cow to eat barley, a donkey, oats, a dog to lap up oil or a Chazir to eat a piece of meat, why is the owner nevertheless Chayav to pay full damages, should any of these animals do just that? Does it make any difference if there is other food available?

(c)What do a cat that ate dates and a donkey that ate fish have in common?

11)

(a)A donkey normally eats barley.

(b)Even though it is not normal for a cow to eat barley, a donkey, oats, a dog to lap up oil or a Chazir to eat a piece of meat, the owner is nevertheless Chayav to pay full damages, should any of these animals do just that, even if there is other food available because they will readily eat these specific foods if there is not.

(c)A cat that ate dates and a donkey that ate fish have in common the fact that they too, are obligated to pay full damage (for the same reason).

12)

(a)What did Rav Yehudah obligate the owner of the donkey that ate bread from a basket and then chewed the basket to pay?

(b)Why did he not obligate him to pay in full for the basket too, since it would have been quite normal for the donkey who had just eaten bread from a basket, to continue chewing the basket?

(c)What is the problem with Rav Yehudah's ruling regarding the bread?

(d)What is the answer?

12)

(a)Rav Yehudah obligated the owner of the donkey that ate bread from a basket and then chewed the basket to pay full damages for the bread, but only Chatzi Nezek for the basket.

(b)He did not obligate him to pay in full for the basket too (despite the fact that it would have been quite normal for the donkey who had just eaten bread from a basket, to continue chewing the basket) because, in this case, the donkey did not chew the basket straightway, but only some time later, which was not Urcheih.

(c)The problem with Rav Yehudah's ruling regarding the bread is what we learned earlier that one cannot claim Kenasos in Bavel (and Chatzi Nezek of Tam is a Kenas) ...

(d)... and we answer, like we learned there that Rav Yehudah is speaking where the Nizak seized the Mazik, in which case, Beis-Din permit him to retain the Chatzi Nezek.

13)

(a)How does Rav Yehudah establish the Beraisa 'Achlah Pas u'Basar v'Tavshil, Meshalem Chatzi Nezek'?

(b)But did we not learn a little earlier that it is normal for a Chayah to eat meat (so why does the Tana obligate him to pay only Chatzi Nezek? We give three answers to this Kashya. What might the Tana have meant by ...

1. ... meat?

2. ... a Chayah? Which sort of wild animal may he have been referring to?

(c)How might we even resolve the problem in the case of a Beheimah that ate raw meat?

(d)In the case where a goat ate a turnip that it found on top of a barrel, and in the process, it climbed up the barrel and broke it, Rava obligated the owner to pay full damages even for the barrel. Is it not unusual for a goat to climb up on to a barrel (in which case, he should charged to pay for only half the barrel)?

13)

(a)Rav Yehudah establishes the Beraisa 'Achlah Pas u'Basar v'Tavshil, Meshalem Chatzi Nezek' by a Chayah.

(b)Regarding the discrepancy between this and what we learned a little earlier (that it is normal for a Chayah to eat meat (so why does the Tana obligate him to pay only Chatzi Nezek), we give three answers. When the Tana said ...

1. ... meat, he might have meant roasted meat (which wild beasts do not eat).

2. ... a Chayah, he might have meant a deer (which does not even eat raw meat either).

(c)We might even resolve the problem in the case of a Beheimah that ate raw meat if it eats it from a table where people are sitting (which is unusual).

(d)In the case where a goat ate a turnip that it found on top of a barrel, and in the process, it climbed up the barrel and broke it, Rava obligated the owner to pay full damages even for the barrel.Granted, it is unusual for a goat to climb up on to a barrel (in which case, he should have charged him to pay for only half the barrel) but not if it does so immediately after it has eaten the bread that was on top of it (as was the case here).