BAVA KAMA 72 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Ms. Estanne Fawer to honor the Yahrzeit of her father, Rav Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Rabbi Morton Weiner) Z'L, who passed away on 18 Teves 5760. May the merit of supporting and advancing Dafyomi study -- which was so important to him -- during the weeks of his Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.

1)

WHEN HAZAMAH CANCELS THE ENTIRE TESTIMONY (Yerushalmi Perek 7 Halachah 3 Daf 31b)

ותני כן א''ר יוסי במה דברים אמורים בשתי עדיות ובשתי התריות אבל בעדות אחת ובהתרייה אחת כל עדות שבטלה מקצתה בטלה כולה.

(a)

Support #1 (Beraisa - R. Yosi): What is the case? It is when there were two testimonies and two warnings, but if it was one testimony and one warning, any testimony that is partially Batel is totally Batel;

מהו שבטלה מקצתה בטלה כולה.

1.

Question: What is the case in which [testimony] that is partially Batel is totally Batel?

[דף כח עמוד א (עוז והדר)] היו עומדין ומעידין עליו בעשרה בניסן שגנב שור באחד בניסן טבח ומכר בעשרה בניסן הוזמו בחמשה עשר בניסן כל עדות שהעידו מעשרה בניסן עד חמשה עשר בניסן למפריעה הרי אילו פסולות.

2.

Answer: If they testified on the 10th of Nisan that he stole an ox on Nisan 1, and he slaughtered or sold it on Nisan 10, and they were Huzam on Nisan 15, all testimonies that they testified from Nisan 10 until Nisan 15, retroactively they are Pasul.

א''ר בא בר ממל תיפתר במעידין עליו בכרך אחד ולית שמעת מינה לכלום.

(b)

Rebuttal (R. Ba bar Mamal): The case is, they testify about [theft and sale] at once, so you cannot learn from here anything. (If he was not there to see one, he was not there to see the other, so he was Huzam about both of them. We explained this like HA'GAON RAV C. KANIEVSKY, SHLITA.)

[דף לב עמוד א] ותני כן הן היו ראשונים והן היו האחרונים. הוזמו בראשונה אין בכך כלום בשנייה הרי אילו עדות אחד שלישית הרי אילו שתי עדיות.

(c)

Support #2 (Tosefta): If the first were also the last (the same two witnesses testified about all three years of Chazakah), if they were Huzam about the first [year], there is no [testimony] at all. [If they were Huzam] about the second, there is one testimony (testimony about the first year remains. If they were Huzam) about the third, there are two testimonies (those of the first two years).

והיכי דמי אם במעידין עליו בכרך אחד ולית שמע מינה כלום.

1.

Question: What is the case? If you will say that the testimony is at once, and you do not learn from here at all [this cannot be, for they testify about different years]!

לא אתייא דא אלא על ידי עדות סגיא.

2.

Answer: This must discuss separate testimonies [and we properly learn that an Ed Zomem is disqualified retroactively. We explained this like NESIVOS YERUSHALAYIM.]