1)

CAN A WOMAN EAT TERUMAH IF SHE IS FORBIDDEN TO HER HUSBAND? [line 1]

(a)

Question: This is not necessarily true!

1.

In our Mishnah, R. Elazar and R. Shimon permit her to eat because her husband can permit other women to eat Terumah. Here, her husband (a Petzu'a Daka) cannot permit any woman to eat!

2.

Suggestion: Also here, he permits a convert's daughter to eat (she may marry a Petzu'a Daka)!

3.

Rejection: R. Yochanan asked R. Oshaya this (whether or not she may eat), and he never settled it! (Tosfos - the Gemara settles this below. Rashi connotes that R. Oshaya himself never settled it, therefore we cannot use this to defend R. Oshaya.)

(b)

Answer #1 (Abaye): Here also, a Petzu'a Daka permits his wife to eat, if he married her before becoming a Petzu'a Daka, and did not have Bi'ah with her after becoming a Petzu'a Daka.

(c)

Answer #2 (Rava): He permits his Kena'ani slaves to eat.

(d)

Abaye did not answer as Rava, because we learn marriage laws from marriage laws, not from laws of slaves;

(e)

Rava did not answer like Abaye, for there is different, for she already ate.

1.

Abaye holds that the fact that she already ate is immaterial.

2.

Support: If you will not say so, a Bas Yisrael widowed from a Kohen should continue to eat, because she already ate!

3.

Rejection (Rava): There is different, since his Kinyan lapses when he dies. Here, she is still married to the Petzu'a Daka!

2)

A PETZU'A DAKA MARRIED TO A CONVERT'S DAUGHTER [line 16]

(a)

Question (R. Yochanan): If a Petzu'a Daka married a Bas Ger, may she eat Terumah?

1.

R. Oshaya was silent.

(b)

Later, another great man came and asked a different matter, and R. Oshaya answered his question.

(c)

Question: Who was this great man?

(d)

Answer: It was Reish Lakish.

(e)

R. Yehudah Nesi'ah: Is R. Yochanan not a great man (why didn't you answer him)?!

(f)

R. Oshaya: He asked me a question that needs no answer!

1.

If he asks according to R. Yehudah, even if a Kohen (who became a Petzu'a Daka) loses his Kedushah (special marriage Isurim), she does not eat!

i.

If he retains his Kedushah, she does not eat, since R. Yehudah says that a male convert's daughter is like a Chalal's daughter, and is forbidden to a Kohen.

ii.

(And even) if he loses his Kedushah she does not eat, since (R. Yehudah says that) converts are considered Kehal (the congregation of) Hash-m, so she may not marry a Petzu'a Daka.

2.

If he asks according to R. Yosi, even if he retains his Kedushah, she may eat!

i.

If he loses his Kedushah she may eat, since R. Yosi holds that converts are not Kehal Hash-m, so she may marry a Petzu'a Daka; (Note- we switched the order of these two lines for clarity. The Gemara's 'first' side (which we put second) also relies on 'Lo Ikri Kehal' for the Heter - see Tosfos DH d'Ha.)

ii.

(And even) if he retains his Kedushah she may eat, since R. Yosi holds that even the daughter of two converts is permitted to Kehunah.

(g)

Rather, he asked according to the following Tana:

1.

(Mishnah - R. Eliezer ben Yakov): A Bas Ger may not marry a Kohen unless her mother is a Bas Yisrael.

2.

R. Yochanan asked whether being a Bas Yisrael's daughter adds (only) Kashrus (to Kehunah), and therefore she may eat;

i.

Or, perhaps (also) Kedushah is added (she is called Kehal Hash-m, and is forbidden to a Petzu'a Daka), and she does not eat?

(h)

Answer (to R. Yochanan's question - R. Acha's Beraisa): We learn that a Bas Ger married to a Petzu'a Daka may eat Terumah from "When a Kohen acquires a person... he will eat";

1.

Question: Like whom is this Beraisa?

i.

It is unlike R. Yehudah, who holds that even if the Kohen loses his Kedushah, she does not eat!

ii.

It is unlike R. Yosi. He holds that even if he retains his Kedushah, she may eat, so we would not need a verse to teach this!

2.

Answer: It is like R. Eliezer ben Yakov. This shows that Kashrus is added, and she eats.

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3)

CHUPAH OF A PESULAH [last line of previous Amud]

(a)

(Rav): Yesh Chupah l'Pesulos (Chupah takes effect even if she is forbidden to him. Rashi - even though Bi'ah is Asur, Chupah makes Kidushin (like Rav Huna, Kidushin 5a). Tosfos - Rav teaches that Chupah after Kidushin disqualifies her, even without Bi'ah.)

(b)

(Shmuel): Ein Chupah l'Pesulos (it does not take effect).

(c)

(Shmuel): Rav admits regarding a girl under three years and a day. Since Bi'ah with her is not considered Bi'ah, Chupah does not take effect on her.

(d)

Support (Rava- Mishnah): The following apply to a girl (at least) three years and one day:

1.

One can Mekadesh her through Bi'ah;

2.

She is acquired to her Yavam through Yibum;

3.

One who has Bi'ah with her is liable for Eshes Ish (if she is married);

4.

(If she is Nidah,) one who has Bi'ah with her becomes Tamei (due to Bo'el Nidah), and he is Metamei a Mishkav (a Kli made to sit on it) under him (even if he does not touch it) to be (a Rishon l'Tum'ah,) like a Kli above a Zav;

5.

If she is married to a Kohen, she may eat Terumah;

6.

If a man has Bi'as Isur with her, he disqualifies her.

7.

Inference: If she is three years and one day, Bi'ah disqualifies her, so also Chupah does. If she is younger, Bi'ah does not disqualify her, so neither does Chupah.