Perek Kol ha'Tadir

1)

(a)On what grounds does the Mishnah give precedence to the Korban Tamid over the Korban Musaf?

(b)How do we learn this from the Pasuk in Pinchas "Mil'vad Olas ha'Boker asher le'Olas ha'Tamid"?

(c)The Tana also gives precedence to the Musaf of Shabbos over that of Rosh Chodesh, and that of Rosh Chodesh over that of Rosh Hashanah. Why is this not initially evident from the same Pasuk?

1)

(a)The Mishnah gives precedence to the Korban Tamid over the Korban Musaf - because it is Tadir (it occurs more frequently).

(b)We learn this from the Pasuk in Pinchas "Mil'vad Olas ha'Boker asher le'Olas ha'Tamid" - which implies that the Musaf follows the Tamid [because the latter is more frequent than it]).

(c)The Tana also gives precedence to the Musaf of Shabbos over that of Rosh Chodesh, and that of Rosh Chodesh over that of Rosh Hashanah, which is not initially evident from the same Pasuk - since the Tamid is unique in that it is brought every single day.

2)

(a)Rebbi Ila'a derives the precedence of one Musaf over the other from the 'Kaf' of "ka'Eileh" (in the Pasuk in Pinchas [written in connection with the Musaf on Pesach] "ka'Eileh Ta'asu la'Yom Shiv'as Yamim". What does this teach us?

(b)What do we mean when we ask that this Pasuk is needed for itself?

(c)On what grounds do we reject the answer that it would then have sufficed for the Torah to write "Eileh Ta'asu la'Yom Shiv'as Yamim" (without the 'Kaf')?

(d)We answer that "la'Yom" already dispenses with that problem. How do we query that?

2)

(a)Rebbi Ila'a derives the precedence of one Musaf over the other from the 'Kaf' of "ka'Eileh" (in the Pasuk in Pinchas [written in connectio with the Musaf on Pesach] "ka'Eileh Ta'asu la'Yom Shiv'as Yamim"which teaches us that - the Din of Tadir extends to one Musaf over the other, just as it applies to the Tamid over the Musaf.

(b)And when we ask that this Pasuk is needed for itself, we mean that - the Pasuk is needed to teach us that the Musaf brought on the first day extends to the other days of Pesach as well.

(c)We reject the answer that it would have sufficed for the Torah to write "Eileh Ta'asu la'Yom Shiv'as Yamim" (without the 'Kaf') because - we would then have thought that the seven lambs mentioned on the first day must be distributed over the seven days (though it is impossible to explain the bulls and the ram in this way).

(d)We query the answer that "la'Yom" already dispenses with that problem, inasmuch as - were it not for "ka'Eileh", the listed Korbanos would be confined to the first day, and we would be uncertain as to how many Korbanos to bring on the other days.

3)

(a)How do we counter the query based on the word "Ta'asu"?

(b)What does Abaye learn from "asher le'Olas ha'Tamid" (in the same Pasuk)?

3)

(a)We counter the query based on the word "Ta'asu" - which indicates that all the Asiyos are equal (the same number of Korbanos are brought each day).

(b)Abaye learns from "asher le'Olas ha'Tamid" (in the same Pasuk) that - not only must the Tamid precede the Musaf, but that it is because it is Tadir, and that Tadir therefore has priority everywhere.

4)

(a)What exactly does the Tana mean when it gives precedence to the blood of one KOrbsan over another? What is the case?

(b)Why does the Tana give precedence to ...

1. ... the blood of a Chatas over that of an Olah?

2. ... the Evarim of an Olah over the Emurim of a Chatas?

(c)Which principle governs the current rulings?

(d)And why is precedence given to ...

1. ... a Chatas over an Asham?

2. ... an Asham over a Todah and an Eil Nazir?

3. ... a Todah and an Eil Nazir over a Shelamim?

4. ... a Shelamim over a B'chor?

(e)Finally, what gives ...

1. ... a B'chor precedence over Ma'aser Beheimah?

2. ... Ma'aser Beheimah precedence over Chatas ha'Of?

3. ... birds precedence over Menachos?

4. ... a Minchas Chotei over a Minchas Nedavah?

5. ... a Chatas ha'Of over an Olas ha'Of?

4)

(a)When the Tana gives precedence to the blood of one Korban over another, it means that - if two Korbanos have been Shechted and are waiting to have their blood sprinkled, the Kohen must sprinkle the blood of the one first.

(b)Our Mishnah gives precedence to ...

1. ... the blood of a Chatas over that of an Olah - because it comes to atone for a Chiyuv Kareis, whereas the Olah only atones for an Asei.

2. ... the Evarim of an Olah over the Emurim of a Chatas - because the former is entirely burned on the Mizbe'ach (whereas the latter is mainly eaten by Kohanim).

(c)The principle that governs the current rulings is - Kol ha'Mekudash me'Chavero, Kodem es Chavero.

(d)Precedence is given to ...

1. ... a Chatas over an Asham - because a. its blood is sprinkled on the four K'ranos, and b. the Shirayim poured on to the Y'sod (whereas the blood of the latter is sprinkled on two diagonally-opposite corners and its Shirayim re not poured on to the Y'sod).

2. ... an Asham over a Todah and an Eil Nazir - because it is Kodshei Kodshim (as opposed to the latter which are Kodshim Kalim.

3. ... a Todah and an Eil Nazir over a Shelamim - because they may only eaten for one day (whereas the latter can be eaten for two).

4. ... a Shelamim over a B'chor - because (unlike the latter) it requires a. four Matanos, and b. Semichah and T'nufas Chazeh ve'Shok.

(e)And finally, the precedence of ...

1. ... a B'chor over Ma'aser Beheimah is due to the fact that - unlike the latter it is both Kadosh from the moment it is born, and may only be eaten by Kohanim.

2. ... Ma'aser Beheimah over Chatas ha'Of is due to the fact that - a. it is Shechted in the conventional manner (whereas the latter is killed by means of Melikah) which is less common, and b. part of its body (the Emurim [as well as its blood]) is Kodesh Kodshim.

3. ... birds over Menachos is due to the fact that - their blood is sprinkled (and blood is a major source of Kaparah).

4. ... a Minchas Chotei over a Minchas Nedavah is due to the fact that - it atones for a sin (for the same reason that a Chatas Beheimah takes precedence over an Olas Beheimah).

5. ... a Chatas ha'Of over an Olas ha'Of - is based on a Pasuk, as we will see later in the Sugya.

5)

(a)What takes precedence, Ma'aser Beheimah or Olas ha'Of?

(b)If someone is obligated to bring both a Chatas ha'Of and an Olas ha'Of, which one does he declare Hekdesh first?

5)

(a)Seeing as Ma'aser Beheimah takes precedence over Chatas ha'Of - Kal va'Chomer it takes precedence over Olas ha'Of (seeing as Chatas ha'Of comes before Olas ha'Of).

(b)If someone is obligated to bring both a Chatas ha'Of and an Olas ha'Of - he first declares the Chatas ha'Of Hekdesh (just as he brings it first).

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6)

(a)The Pasuk in Beha'aloscha discusses the inauguration of the Levi'im. From where do we know that one of the bulls that Moshe initially took was for a Chatas and the other, an Olah?

(b)In what way does the Pasuk ("va'Asei es ha'Echad Chatas ve'es ha'Echad Olah") and "u'Par Sheini ben Bakar Tikach le'Chatas", appear to contradict one another?

(c)How do we therefore reconcile them? What do we learn from ...

1. ... "u'Par Sheini ben Bakar Tikach le'Chatas"? In which regard did the Olah precede the Chatas?

2. ... "va'Asei es ha'Echad Chatas ve'es ha'Echad Olah"? In which regard did the Chatas precede the Olah?

6)

(a)The Pasuk in Beha'aloscha discusses the inauguration of the Levi'im. We know that one of the bulls that Moshe initially took was for a Chatas and the other, an Olah - because the Torah specifically writes "Va'asei es ha'Echad Chatas ve'es ha'Echad Olah".

(b)The Pasuk, which implies that the Chatas precedes the Olah, appears to contradict the Pasuk "u'Par Sheini ben Bakar Tikach le'Chatas" - which implies that the Olah precedes the Chatas.

(c)We therefore reconcile them - by confining ...

1. ... "u'Par Sheini ben Bakar Tikach le'Chatas" to the burning of the limbs, where the Olah takes precedence, as we explained in our Mishnah.

2. ... "va'Asei es ha'Echad Chatas ve'es ha'Echad Olah" - to the sprinkling of the blood, as we explained there too.

7)

(a)What is the basis of the Kashya that only the first Matanah of the Chatas ought to precede the Matanos of the Olah?

(b)In Eretz Yisrael, they replied that, having begun with the Matanos of the Chatas, it stands to reason that one completes them, before starting those of the Olah. What did Ravina answer?

7)

(a)The basis of the Kashya that only the first Matanah of the Chatas ought to precede the Matanos of the Olah is the fact that - it is the only one that is crucial to the Avodah (as we learned in the fourth Perek).

(b)In Eretz Yisrael, they replied that having begun with the Matanos of the Chatas, it stands to reason that one completes them, before starting those of the Olah. Ravina answered that - the Pasuk is speaking about the Chatas of the Levi'im, which did not come to atone, yet the Torah gives the Chatas precedence. In that case, there is no reason to differentiate between the first Matanah and the subsequent ones.

8)

(a)We ask which takes precedence, the Evarim of an Olah or the blood of a Chatas. How do we try to resolve the She'eilah by citing our Mishnah Dam Chatas Kodem le'Dam Olah?

(b)How do we refute this proof from the Seifa?

(c)On what grounds do we refute a similar proof that Emurei Chatas take precedence over Dam Olah via the inference from the same piece of Mishnah Dam Chatas Kodem le'Dam Olah, but not Emurei Chatas?

(d)So what is the outcome of the two She'eilos?

8)

(a)We ask which takes precedence, the Evarim of an Olah or the blood of a Chatas, and we try to resolve the She'eilah by citing our Mishnah Dam Chatas Kodem le'Dam Olah - by extrapolating 'ha le'Evrei Olah Lo Kadim'.

(b)We refute this proof from the Seifa Evrei Olah Kodmin le'Emurei Chatas, however - by making the same inference, ha le'Dam Chatas Lo Kodim (thereby contradicting the first inference).

(c)And we refute a similar proof that Emurei Chatas take precedence over Dam Olah via the inference from the same piece of Mishnah 'Dam Chatas Kodem le'Dam Olah', 'ha Emurei Chatas Lo Kadmi' - by making the opposite inference from the Seifa 'Evrei Olah Kodmin le'Eimurei Chatas', 'ha Dam Olah Lo Kadim'.

(d)The outcome of the two She'eilos is therefore - 'Teiku'.

9)

(a)We then ask which will take precedence if the blood of an Olah and that of an Asham both need to be sprinkled. What claim does each have for the honor?

(b)How do we try to resolve this She'eilah from our Mishnah Dam Chatas Kodem le'Dam Olah?

(c)We answer that the Tana needs to mention specifically Dam Chatas because of the Seifa 'Evrei Olah Kodmin le'Emurei Chatas'. Why could the Tana not have taught the same thing with regard to Emurei Asham?

(d)How do we ...

1. ... refute the proof that Dam Chatas takes precedence over Dam Asham from the Mishnah Chatas Kodem le'Asham?

2. ... prove that in fact, the Tana must be talking about Emurim (and not Dam)?

9)

(a)We then ask which will take precedence, the blood of an Olah - which is part of a Korban that is Kalil, or that of an Asham - which is Mechaper.

(b)We try to resolve this She'eilah from our Mishnah Dam Chatas Kodem le'Dam Olah - implying Dam Chatas' (which has priority over Dam Asham), but not Dam Asham.

(c)We answer that the Tana needs to mention specifically Dam Chatas because of the Seifa Evrei Olah Kodmin le'Eimurei Chatas. The Tana could not have taught the same thing with regard to Emurei Asham - because then we would have extrapolated ... but not Emurei Chatas (which take priority over Emurei Asham).

(d)We ...

1. ... refute the proof that Dam Chatas takes precedence over Dam Asham from the Mishnah Chatas Kodem le'Asham - by establishing it by Emurim.

2. ... prove that, in fact, the Tana must be talking about Emurim (and not Dam) - from the Lashon Mipnei she'Damah Nitein (and not Mipnei she'Nitnis ... ) al Arba K'ranos'.

10)

(a)We suggest that an Asham ought perhaps to take precedence over a Chatas, she'Kein Yesh lo Kitzvah. What does that mean?

(b)How do we counter this suggestion?

(c)The Tana gives an Asham precedence over a Todah because it is Kodshei Kodshim, and a Todah precedence over a Shelamim because it can be eaten for only one day. Why do we suggest that perhaps ...

1. ... A Todah and an Eil Nazir ought to take precedence over an Asham?

2. ... Shelamim ought to take precedence? What advantage does Shelamim have over Todah?

10)

(a)We suggest that an Asham ought perhaps to take precedence over a Chatas she'Kein Yesh lo Kitzvah - meaning that it has a minimum price-tag (of two Shekalim whereas a Chatas does not).

(b)And we counter this suggestion - with a statement that Ribuy de'Mizbe'ach (as explained in the Mishnah) overrides that Chumra.

(c)The Tana gives an Asham precedence over a Todah because it is Kodshei Kodshim, and a Todah precedence over a Shelamim because it can be eaten for only one day. We suggest that perhaps ...

1. ... a Todah and an Eil Nazir ought to take precedence over an Asham - because they require loaves of bread.

2. ... a Shelamim ought to take precedence over a Todah, because it has the advantage that on Shavu'os, it is brought as a Korban Tzibur.

11)

(a)We ask which takes precedence, Todah or Eil Nazir. What is the criterion that makes each one a candidate?

(b)The answer lies explicitly in a Beraisa. What does the Tana there say?

(c)Our Mishnah has already given a Shelamim precedence over a B'chor. Why do we nevertheless suggest that perhaps the reverse ought to be the case?

(d)The fact that a B'chor is holy me'Rechem (from birth) and can be eaten only by Kohanim however, does override the advantage that Ma'aser has over B'chor. Which advantage?

11)

(a)We ask which takes precedence, Todah or Eil Nazir. The criterion that makes each one a candidate is that - whereas the former requires four kinds of loaves (as against the other's two), the latter is brought together with other Korbanos.

(b)The answer lies in a Beraisa - which gives the Todah precedence, because it requires four kinds of loaves.

(c)Our Mishnah has already given a Shelamim priority over a B'chor. Nevertheless, we suggest that perhaps the reverse ought to be the case - because the latter is holy from birth and can be eaten only by Kohanim.

(d)The fact that a B'chor is Kadosh me'Rechem (from birth) however, does override the advantage that Ma'aser has over B'chor - (that it has the power to sanctify the animal before and after it (the ninth and the eleventh animal in the pen, should the counter confuse the three animals whilst counting them).

12)

(a)The Tana gives precedence to Ma'aser Beheimah over Kodshim birds for the two reasons specified in the Mishnah. Why might we have thought otherwise?

(b)What does Ravina bar Shilo say about Emurei Kodshim Kalim that are taken out of the Azarah before the Z'rikas Dam?

(c)Why might we have thought otherwise?

(d)In support of Ravina bar Shilo, we cite our Mishnah (with regard to Ma'aser's precedence over Ofos) Mipnei she'hu Zevach, ve'Yeshno Kodshei Kodshim Damav ve'Eimurav. What problem do we have with the Tana's insertion of Damav?

12)

(a)The Tana gives precedence to Ma'aser Beheimah over Kodshim birds for the two reasons specified in the Mishnah. We might however, have thought otherwise - because Kodshim birds are Kodshei Kodshim (whilst Ma'aser Beheimah is Kodshim Kalim).

(b)Ravina bar Shilo rules that Emurei Kodshim Kalim that are taken out of the Azarah before the Z'rikas Dam - are Pasul.

(c)We might have thought otherwise - because they are not subject to Me'ilah until after the Zerikah.

(d)In support of Ravina bar Shilo, we cite our Mishnah (with regard to Ma'aser's precedence over Ofos) Mipnei she'Hu Zevach, ve'Yeshno Kodshei Kodshim Damav ve'Eimurav. The problem with the Tana's insertion of Damav is that - the blood of birds is Kodshei Kodshim, too.

13)

(a)We answer that the Tana inserts Damav in order to compare Emurav to Damav. In which respect does it compare them?

(b)What does that prove?

13)

(a)We answer that the Tana inserts Damav in order to compare the Emurim of the Ma'aser to the Dam - in that like Dam, the Emurim are considered Kodshei Kodshim before Zerikah ...

(b)... in which case they are subject to the P'sul of Yotzei like it (a proof for Ravina bar Shiloh).

14)

(a)If Basar Kodshim is taken out of the Azarah before the Zerikah, on what grounds does ...

1. ... Rebbi Yochanan rule that it is Kasher?

2. ... Resh Lakish rule that it is Pasul?

(b)What do we try to prove from there with regard to Emurin she'Yatz'u ... ?

(c)We reject this proof however, on the grounds that they argue by Emurin she'Yatz'u as well (in which case Rebbi Yochanan will disagree with Ravina bar Shiloh). If that is so, why did Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish choose to argue by Basar?

(d)How could Rebbi Yochanan then give his reason as 'Ho'il ve'Sofo Latzeis'?

14)

(a)If Basar Kodshim is taken out of the Azarah before the Zerikah ...

1. ... Rebbi Yochanan rules that it is Kasher - because it is due to be taken outside the Azarah anyway.

2. ... Resh Lakish rules that it is Pasul - because the time for that is not yet due.

(b)We try to extrapolate from here - that when it comes to Emurin she'Yatz'u ... , which are not due to be taken out anyway, even Rebbi Yochanan will agree that they are Pasul (a proof for Ravina bar Shiloh).

(c)We reject this proof however, inasmuch as they argue by Emurin she'Yatz'u as well (in which case Rebbi Yochanan will disagree with Ravina bar Shiloh). And the reason that Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish chose to argue by Basar is - to teach us the extent of Resh Lakish's ruling (that they are Pasul in spite of the fact that they are due to be taken out anyway).

(d)And it is not Rebbi Yochanan who gives the reason as 'Ho'il ve'Sofo Latzeis' - but those who quoted the Machlokes (in its context, though it is not really Rebbi Yochanan's reason at all).

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