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DAF DISCUSSIONS - ERUVIN 74

moshe rubin asks:

The gemara says that Shmuel ultimately agreed to Rav. The gemara also had explained that R' Yochonon's reason was consistent with his shitah following R" Shimon "bein sh'erivu bein she'lo eirvu".

First, the gemara stated that Shmuel and R' Yochonon BOTH held like that in R' Shimon, but does not address that Shmuel did not agree by the churvah case.

Is this becuase R' Yochonon is consistent, but the rulings are no intrinsically tied to one another? Would Shmuel's change of mind affect how he pasekened re" R' Shimon?

Thanks - i hope this was clear.

moshe rubin, brooklyn, ny

The Kollel replies:

1. Shmuel's change of mind does not affect the way he ruled regarding Rebbi Shimon. The proof for this is from the Rosh (6:20) who writes that the conclusion of the Sugya is that Shmuel retracted to Rav and the Halachah follows Rav and Shmuel. However, the Rosh later (9:2, on the Gemara on 91a) cites Shmuel as saying that the Halachah follows Rebbi Shimon "Bein Irvu Bein Lo Irvu," and this is also the opinion of Rebbi Yochanan, and therefore the Halachah follows Shmuel and Rebbi Yochanan. We see from the Rosh that Shmuel remained with his previous opinion concerning Rebbi Shimon, even though he retracted to Rav.

2. One sees from the Gemara that even though Rebbi Yochanan's opinion on Churvah is consistent with the fact that he rules like Rebbi Shimon, nevertheless Shmuel rules like Rebbi Shimon even though on Churvah he rules against Rebbi Yochanan. As you write, this shows that the rulings are not intrinsically tied to each other.

Kol Tuv,

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