1)

(a)What did Rav say about any Korbanos that are Shechted in the Azarah after the Mizbe'ach has become chipped?

(b)What did he comment about the source of this Halachah?

(c)When Rav Kahana arrived in Eretz Yisrael, he found Rebbi Shimon be'Rebbi who, citing Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi, quoted the Pasuk in Yisro "Vezavachta alav es Olosecha ve'es Shelamecha". What did he learn from there?

1)

(a)Rav ruled that in the event that the Mizbe'ach has become chipped - any Korbanos that are subsequently Shechted in the Azarah become Pasul.

(b)He commented - that although he had had a source for this Halachah, he had forgotten it.

(c)When Rav Kahana arrived in Eretz Yisrael, he found Rebbi Shimon be'Rebbi who, citing Rebbi Yishmael b'Rebbi Yossi, commented that - since the Korbanos were not Shechted on the Mizbe'ach, the Pasuk "Vezavachta alav es Olosecha ve'es Shelamecha" must be coming to teach us that Korbanos can only be Shechted as long as the Mizbe'ach is complete, but not when it is broken.

2)

(a)Rebbi Yochanan carried this Halachah still further. What did he mean when he says 'Echad Zeh ve'Echad Zeh, Pesulin'?

(b)What is the basis of their Machlokes?

(c)What problem do we have with the Beraisa, which invalidates any Kodshim that preceded the building of the Mizbe'ach (of the second Beis-Hamikdash)?

(d)How do we therefore amend the text?

(e)What problem do we have with that?

2)

(a)Rebbi Yochanan carried this Halachah still further. When he said 'Echad Zeh ve'Echad Zeh, Pesulin' he meant that - any animals that were already sanctified prior to the Mizbe'ach becoming chipped, also become Pasul, even if they are Shechted only after the Mizbe'ach has been repaired.

(b)The basis of their Machlokes is - whether we say Ba'alei-Chayim Nidachim (live animals are subject to Dichuy [rejection - Rebbi Yochanan]), or not (Rav).

(c)The problem with the Beraisa, which invalidates any Kodshim that preceded the building of the Mizbe'ach (of the second Beis-Hamikdash) is that - it will pose a Kashya on those who hold Dichuy Me'ikara Lo Havi Dichuy (If something that is initially unfit [at the time when it is sanctified] becomes rejected, its rejection is not permanent).

(d)So we amend the text - from ad she'Lo Nivneh ha'Mizbe'ach to ad she'Lo Neheras ha'Mizbe'ach (before the Mizbe'ach was demolished).

(e)The problem with this is that - the Tana is then referring to the Mizbe'ach that was torn down by Nevuchadnetzar and rebuilt when they returned from Galus Bavel, seventy years later. And even assuming that any Korbanos were still alive then, they would have become Pasul (because old age is considered a Mum in the realm of Korbanos).

3)

(a)So we amend the text once more to read ad she'Lo Nifgam ha'Mizbe'ach. On whom does this pose a Kashya?

(b)To accommodate Rav, we therefore amend the first phrase in the Beraisa. How will Kol ha'Kodshim she'Hayu Sham ... now read?

(c)What does Rav Gidal Amar Rav say abut the Mizbe'ach ha'Ketores that is removed?

(d)How does this pose a Kashya on Rav's ruling regarding Mizbe'ach she'Nifgam'?

3)

(a)So we amend the text once more to read ad she'Lo Nifgam ha'Mizbe'ach - posing a Kashya on Rav, who holds Ba'alei Chayim Einan Nidachin.

(b)To accommodate Rav, we therefore amend the first phrase in the Beraisa, changing Kol ha'Kodshim she'Hayu Sham ... to Kol ha'Kodshim she'Nishchatu Sham ... .

(c)Rav Gidal Amar Rav rules that even if the Mizbe'ach ha'Ketores is removed - one may nevertheless sacrifice the Ketores on the floor of the Heichal ...

(d)... posing a Kashya on Rav's ruling regarding Mizbe'ach she'Nifgam in that - assuming that the same Din extends to the Mizbe'ach ha'Olah, why did Rav himself then invalidate Korbanos that are Shechted after the Mizbe'ach became chipped?

4)

(a)We answer the Kashya on Rav with a statement by Rava. What does Rava mean when he says 'Modeh Hayah Rebbi Yehudah be'Damim'? What does Rebbi Yehudah concede?

(b)What does this have to do with Rav?

4)

(a)We answer the Kashya on Rav with a statement by Rava, who said Modeh Hayah Rebbi Yehudah be'Damim, by which he means that - Rebbi Yehudah concedes that even if the Shechitah of Korbanos does not require the Mizbe'ach, the Zerikas ha'Dam does (as we shall see later).

(b)Likewise, Rav will confine his latter ruling to the Mizbe'ach ha'Ketores, seeing as, even assuming that the Shechitah of Korbanos is Kasher without the Mizbe'ach ha'Olah, what will the Kohen then do with the blood?

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5)

(a)How many Olos did Shlomoh ha'Melech bring on the copper Mizbe'ach of Moshe when it served as the Bamah in Giv'on?

(b)Where did he later bring 22,000 bulls and 120,000 sheep? Which Mizbe'ach was then in use?

(c)If, as Rebbi Yehudah explains, the Pasuk is literal, what is then the meaning of ...

1. ... "ba'Yom ha'Hu Kidesh ha'Melech es Toch ha'Chatzer"?

2. ... "ki Mizbe'ach ha'Nechoshes asher Lifnei Hash-m Katan me'Hachil'? To which Mizbe'ach does this refer?

(d)Rebbi Yossi disagrees. Where did Shlomoh burn the bulls and the sheep, according to him?

5)

(a)Shlomoh ha'Melech brought - one thousand Olos on the copper Mizbe'ach of Moshe when it served as the Bamah in Giv'on.

(b)Later, he brought - 22,000 bulls and 120,000 sheep to inaugurate the Beis Hamikdash, after his new stone Mizbe'ach came into use.

(c)If, as Rebbi Yehudah in the Beraisa explains, the Pasuk in Melachim is literal ...

1. ... "ba'Yom ha'Hu Kidesh ha'Melech es Toch ha'Chatzer" means that - Shlomoh ha'Melech sanctified the floor of the Chatzer to burn Korbanos, because ...

2. ... "ki Mizbe'ach ha'Nechoshes asher Lifnei Hash-m Katan me'Hachil" - the stone Mizbe'ach that he had built (and which replaced the copper one of Moshe) was too small to contain the vast amount of sacrifices that he brought on that day.

(d)According to Rebbi Yossi, Shlomoh burned all those bulls and the sheep - on the stone Mizbe'ach.

6)

(a)How does Rebbi Yossi dispense with Rebbi Yehudah's problem (concerning the number of Korbanos that the Mizbe'ach had to contain)? Why was he so certain that there was sufficient room on the stone Mizbe'ach to burn them all on one day?

(b)To what does he attribute the fact that it was possible to burn a thousand Korbanos on one day on such a small Mizbe'ach (as that of Moshe) when it was still in Giv'on?

(c)And how does he explain the Pasuk "ki Mizbe'ach ha'Nechoshes ... Katan me'Hachil"? To which Mizbe'ach is the Pasuk referring?

(d)In what basic point does Rebbi Yehudah then argue with Rebbi Yossi?

6)

(a)Rebbi Yossi dispenses with Rebbi Yehudah's problem (concerning the numbers of Korbanos that the Mizbe'ach had to contain) - because, he argues, the Makom ha'Ma'arachah of Shlomoh's Mizbe'ach, which was twenty Amos by twenty Amos, was four hundred times that of Moshe (which was only one square Amah). Consequently, he was certain that there was sufficient room on the stone Mizbe'ach to burn the bulls and the sheep on one day.

(b)He attributes the fact that it was possible to burn a thousand Korbanos on one day on such a small Mizbe'ach (as that of Moshe) when it was still in Giv'on - to the fact that they were consumed by a Heavenly Fire that descended each day.

(c)The Pasuk "ki Mizbe'ach ha'Nechoshes ... Katan me'Hachil", according to him - refers to Moshe's Mizbe'ach, which they disqualified simply due its small size (not because it was Pasul). Attributing it to the number of Korbanos that they brought on that day was just a nice way of putting it.

(d)And Rebbi Yehudah argues with Rebbi Yossi - about the size of Moshe's Mizbe'ach. According to him, it was much larger than what we took it to be until now (as we will now see). Consequently, the thousand Olos that Shlomoh burned on that day was feasible (but only just [and not the result of the Heavenly fire that consumed them]), whereas Shlomoh's Mizbe'ach (which was therefore not that much larger than Moshe's, as we will now see), would never have been able to contain the number of bulls and the sheep that they brought on the day that he inaugurated the Beis-Hamikdash.

7)

(a)Rebbi Yossi learns the Pasuk in Terumah "Chamesh Amos Orech ve'Chamesh Amos Rochav" literally, as we already explained. What does Rebbi Yehudah say, based on the Gezeirah-Shavah "Ravu'a" (the next word in the Pasuk) from "Ravu'a" (in Yechezkel, in connection with the Mizbe'ach)?

(b)What was then the size of the Makom ha'Ma'arachah?

(c)How much larger was Shlomoh's Mizbe'ach than that of Moshe? Based on the proportion to its size, how many Korbanos could they have brought on it?

(d)And what does Rebbi Yehudah learn from the Pasuk in Yechezkel "ve'ha'Ariel Sh'teim-Esrei Orech bi'Shteim-Esrei Rochav el Arba'as Reva'av"?

7)

(a)Rebbi Yossi learns the Pasuk in Terumah "Chamesh Amos Orech ve'Chamesh Amos Rochav" literally, as we already explained. Based on the Gezeirah-Shavah "Ravu'a" (the next word in the Pasuk) from "Ravu'a" (in Yechezkel, in connection with the Mizbe'ach), Rebbi Yehudah explains that - the Mizbe'ach was five Amos in all directions from its center.

(b)After detracting four Amos for the Amoh of the Keranos and for the Kohanim to walk from the ten Amos (on each of the four sides), the size of the Makom ha'Ma'arachah was - six Amos by six Amos ...

(c)... making Shlomoh's Mizbe'ach (of twenty by twenty) eleven times larger than that of Moshe (four hundred square Amos as opposed to thirty-six). In which case, based on the proportion to its size, they could have brought eleven thousand Korbanos on it (and no more).

(d)Whereas Rebbi Yehudah learns from the Pasuk in Yechezkel "ve'ha'Ariel Sh'teim-Esrei Orech bi'Shteim-Esrei Rochav el Arba'as Reva'av" - that Shlomoh Hamelech's Mizbe'ach was not twelve by twelve Amos, but twenty-four by twenty-four.

8)

(a)Rebbi Yossi learns the Gezeirah-Shavah "Ravu'a" "Ravu'a" from the Mizbe'ach ha'Ketores. What does he learn from there (regarding the height of the Mizbe'ach)?

(b)How tall was Moshe's Mizbe'ach according to Rebbi Yehudah?

(c)How did Rebbi Yehudah query Rebbi Yossi from the Pasuk in Terumah (in connection with the curtains of the Chatzer) "ve'Komah Chameish Amos"?

(d)To answer the Kashya, Rebbi Yossi quoted two Pesukim. What did he learn from the Pasuk ...

1. ... in Bamidbar "ve'es Kal'ei he'Chatzer ... asher al ha'Mishkan ve'al ha'Mizbe'ach"?

2. ... in Vayakhel "Kela'im Chameish-Esrei Amah el ha'Kasef"?

(e)In that case, why does the Pasuk in Vayakhel give ...

1. ... their height as five Amos?

2. ... the height of the Mizbe'ach as three Amos?

8)

(a)Rebbi Yossi learns the Gezeirah-Shavah "Ravu'a" "Ravu'a" from the Mizbe'ach ha'Ketores - which was one Amah in length and two in height (twice its length). Likewise the Mizbe'ach ha'Olah, which was five Amos long, was ten Amos tall.

(b)According to Rebbi Yehudah - Moshe's Mizbe'ach was three Amos tall.

(c)Rebbi Yehudah queried Rebbi Yossi from the Pasuk in Terumah (in connection with the curtains of the Chatzer) "ve'Komah Chameish Amos" - which would mean that if, as he maintains, the Mizbe'ach was ten Amos tall, someone standing outside could see the Kohen performing the Avodah on the Mizbe'ach (which is not Tzeni'us [modest]).

(d)To answer the Kashya, Rebbi Yossi quoted two Pesukim. He learned from the Pasuk ...

1. ... in Bamidbar "ve'es Kal'ei he'Chatzer ... asher al ha'Mishkan ve'al ha'Mizbe'ach" that - the Mizbe'ach, like the Mishkan, was ten Amos tall (though it is unclear why he needs a second Limud for this).

2. ... in Vayakhel "Kela'im Chameish-Esrei Amah el ha'Kasef" that - the height of the Kela'im (curtains) was in fact, fifteen Amos.

(e)And when the Pasuk in Vayakhel gives ...

1. ... their height as five Amos - it is referring to the height of the Kela'im that was in excess of the height of the Mizbe'ach.

2. ... the height of the Mizbe'ach as three Amos - it is referring to the top section of the Mizbe'ach above the Soveiv (and not counting the Keranos).

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